Dolwyddelan or Patagonia?

[chinakay]

Hello Peter, the cert arrived today, the wedding of Robert Williams and Judith Ellis at Dolwyddelan church 17 Dec 1859. Robert's address is Penrhiw and his father is also Robert Williams, farmer.

Over to you

Cheers,
China

[Peterej]

Well that is a surprise.
Robert certainly did not live in Penrhiw in 1841 or 1851. In 1841 he was with the family I mentioned before. Do you have access to the census? I will let you have details if not. Basically father Robert and mother Gwen and there is a sibling Moses. If you are searching it is under William and not Williams. I cannot find the parents yet in 1851* but Robert senior has died by 1861. Gwen appears still in 1881. There is a possible for Robert Junior in 1851.
Do you mind scanning the certificate in to see if I can glean anything else.
Now either the families are connected further back or Robert Junior went to work at Penrhiw when his father died.
* now found under Gwen Jones(?) widowed with children surname Williams- still no Robert Junior.

to be continued.....

Peter

[chinakay]

Some questions, answers from anybody, I'm not proud

Where is Penrhiw in Dolwyddelan, and what does Rhiw mean? I'm assuming it's the name of a house...

I notice Robert Williams has a son Moses in the 1841, and on the same page William Williams has a son Rowland. How common were these names in Wales at the time? I'm particularly interested in the name Rowland.

Cheers,
China

[chinakay]

Okay, in answer to my own question, there were 193 Rowlands in Caernarvonshire in the 1841 census, so I suppose it wasn't an entirely uncommon name. 77 Moses(es).

The reason I was interested in William William's Rowland is that one of the children (pictured at top of page) who emigrated to Patagonia named a son Rowland. I have noticed that names tend to go around in families, so I wondered if there was a connection.

I was dreaming last night that the Williamses were descended from Macsen Wledig. No idea where that came from, and as I frequently remind my husband, I am not responsible for the content of my dreams.

Cheers,
C

[Peterej]

I think Penrhiw means top of the hill-- pen = head and rhiw = hill.
It is a few miles outside of Dolwyddellan not far from a railway station called Roman Bridge.

It is a farm and when you PM with the certificate I will send a photo of the farm.

I think all this family history is giving you delusions!! Perhaps it is the railway station.
Mind you we all have dreams.

Peter

[paulpesda]

Penrhiw is a farm in Dolwyddelan, and I believe the Williams family still farm it.

[chinakay]

Hello, thanks for that. I see there is an RG Williams listed for Penrhiw farm...I wonder why I don't remember my aunties taking us there. Or maybe they did...I wasn't a sentient human being yet the last I was there

Cheers,
China

[paulpesda]

haha. i know that feeling! yes, I knew him as Gwyn Penrhiw - he was a batchelor and a farmer, who lived there with his mother. She died, and I'm certain that he still lives ad farms there. I'll see what I can find out for you. p

[Peterej]

Hi

I do not think it is the same family as mine but I would still be interested in hearing what you find out in case it helps.

Peter