1841 census lookup for Barham

[helenna]

Many thanks for the information you have sent me. So much appreciated.  I will also look up the sites you have sent.
I understand that Bishops Grammer School was in Canterbury?


Helenna

[Barbara F]

Hello Helenna
I think casalguidi has answered most of your queries.  Sorry about the typing error on Monk's Horton 
Can I just confirm that what you are trying to do is link your Henry Grahame Montague b c 1832-35 or even 1839 to this Tassell family?
What other information do you have on Henry?
Barbara

[helenna]

Hello Barbara,
Many thanks for the information re Horton Park etc. Yes I am trying to find a link to Henry Grahame Montagu, he was my grandfather and neither myself or any other member of this large family have been able to find his birth certificate or details of his parents. He states on all certificates that he was born 1839 Bridge Nr Canterbury and his father was Charles.  Up until now we have not heard of any relatives, hence the interest in the Tassells.
The other information is that he was the son of someone connected to the Royals. ?? This has come from another member of my Grans family , the person in question being nearly 100 and remembers going to see my gran as a child and being told that the  father of 2 of the children with my gran was connected to the Royals.
Wonder if we could perhaps find a child living with perhaps the Tassells in 1841?
HGM ended up as Cheif Sanitary Inspector for Bath in the 1800s. Had to be educated then to get that position.
Once again many thanks  for your help.
Helenna

[Barbara F]

Hello again Helenna
I have been looking at your Henry Graham Montague and it is weird that in the censuses he can be found 1861-1901 but not before.  Also there does not seem to be a birth registration for him - if he was born in 1839.
When I checked the 1851 census for a Henry (any surname) b Bridge 1839 +/- 1 year all I got was a Henry Whitnell, a pauper in the workhouse. He was there in 1841 too with 2 other Whitnalls, most likely mother and sister. There is a baptism for the sister on the IGi and she is illegitimate. Wider wildcard searches have not thrown him up either.
Could he have been illegitimate do you think, and reinvented himself?
I will see if I can find anything on the school.
Barbara

[casalguidi]

It may be nothing but perhaps I'd better mention it, an 1847 directory lists one of the main owners of land in Monks Horton as a Col. Henry MONTAGUE.

Helenna, do you know the full names of all Henry's children ie. is there anything else unusual apart from Lilla?

I'm no expert on Canterbury schools but have never heard of Bishops.  Kings was/is the school in Canterbury but I really wouldn't like to speculate http://www.kings-school.co.uk/

Casalguidi

[Barbara F]

I have not had much luck with the school - I keep coming back to The King's School.  However this website seems to suggest that it may have been known as the Archbishop's school
http://www.hillside.co.uk/tour/d94.html
In 1851 I have found a 50 year old Henry Graham Montague in London witha young wife (29) called Lily and children ranging from 8 to 10 months.  His occupation is very detailed but almost illegible.  I think it says Professor of .... Physiology ....  the ref is HO107 1486 f 726 if anyone else would like to have a look.
I will see if I can find him in later censuses - I can't see him in 1841.
Barbara

[helenna]

To CAselguidi,
Thanks for all your efforts here, have to say feel guilty about it as you can see, we have nothing to go on re Henrys life before he was 17. I among several of his desendants have searched every avenue for his birth certificate and parent details, without success.
Yes I have all  the details re his 4 marriages and all of his 19 childrens names. I can see where your going with the names, but to date have not found anything that would help.This latest reference to the Tassells is the first I have heard of any relatives.
There is a constant reference from all I have been in contact with, to him being related to Royalty Sorry to be a bore over this, but we have wondered if his mother was perhaps a servant and got herself pregnant and then been paid for his upbringing. He definately inherited 3 -4 fortunes and I am led to believe gambled the lot.
The Col you mention sounds promising in one way as he did seem to be involved in army things and had an Army funeral. I have his obituary from the Bath Chronicle.
Once again thanks.
Helenna

[helenna]

HI Barbara,
Thankyou so much for looking into my Montagu query.
I Know about the Montagu you have found  with the wife Lily, he sounds quite a card, and wouldnt have minded having him as a relative, but, afraid not.
I and many others have searched high and low for HGMs details without success.
He is on the 1871 census in Bath and so  on
The school name was given to us by the relative who provided the Tassell details.
Once again many thanks for your time.
Helenna

[Barbara F]

Hello Helenna
Really am stuck on this one!
I believe The King's School has an archivist so it may be worth sending an email.
The London family is also a bit of a mystery - can't find them in a later census and can only find one birth reg of the youngest child (Herbert) who died young. I did wonder whether there were French connections because of the children's names -Blanche, Eugene.
Have you checked the parish registers for Bridge?
Barbara