hyde road

[Jo New]

yes I do have a william hamer I have noted the dates and will check it out tomorrow as it is late (12.30) and I need to hit the hay, gone are the days when I could stay up all night

ANY LUCK ?

bw jo

[tony h]

Hi Sue

This one’s going to run  on and on I fear.  

My friend located Old Ordnance Survey Maps: Gorton & Belle Vue 1905 (edition of 1908) which has extracts from Slaters Directory Manchester & Salford, 1905 printed on the back. This should reveal the positions of both 190 Hyde Rd, West Gorton and 190 Hyde Rd, Gorton.  

190/192 West Gorton is a double fronted shop located on the corner of Hyde Road/Ashmore St, so clearly that’s out. For the record it is Joseph Motterhead, Baker in the directory. My friend also has a street directory for just West Gorton which shows it was still a bakers in 1965 then numbered 390/92 and owned by Edmonds Bakeries Ltd.

The link to Manchester Library I posted earlier shows  Mead T Seymour & Co Ltd clearly on the corner of Oakfield Grove and Hyde Road. (Worth opening this now in another window)
http://www.images.manchester.gov.uk/web/pages/common/imagedisplay.php?&irn=30101&reftable=ecatalogue&refirn=36845&size=600x452
 The directory lists this as 172 and as Grocers. In theory 190 should be 10 house down to the left. So far so good, then its all downhill.  

The directory reads
Here is Oakfield grove
172 Mead T. Seymour & Co Ltd, grocers
778 Gorton Central Liberal Club
778 Smellie, William caretaker (how unfortunate is that)
786 Bowker, Joseph confectioner
Here is Hall Street
788 Broadbent, Harold, plumber
Here is Church view
Brookfield Unitarian Church
822 Egerton, William, chapel keeper
824 Leah, Arthur , Thos, wheelwright.
826 Wagon & Horses PH

Clearly the library picture shows Seymours on the right and the Wagon & Horses way down to the left past Brookfield Church. The order of side streets is correct and the houses in the picture reflect the layout of the map. However there are 7 buildings in the ‘Seymour’ block and about 16 in the next block. The numbers jump from 172 to 778 and there are less entries than properties. I’ve scanned the rest of the directory and there don’t appear to be any obvious gaps between numbers or leaps in numbering

You asked a perfectly straightforward question to which the answer should have been yes or no and we are now no nearer forward, with a deepening mystery. Can you look at your census info again, in case we have to go back to the Ardwick end.

Thanks
Tony

[Jo New]

Hi Sue

whilst having a shufty thru my  kELLY'S 1929 directory i came across the following, don't know if there of any use to you ?

ALFD. HAMER, PLUMMER, 14 CHURCH LANE , 183 -190 HYDE ROAD, AND 26 RADNOR STREET, GORTON TEL NO OPENSHAWE 147

also

RD. HAMER, CONFECTIONER, 297 HYDE ROAD

Jo

[uk2003]

Found this entry in the 1937 phone book 

Regards
Ken

[harewoodhouse]

wow you guys are great..I did look up my tree and this is what I have on the hamers Jo
starting with alfred finley hamer who had the plumbing shop he was born 1881 and married harriet walker...he had a brother called john born 1888 and a sister called sarah 1886...their parents were william alfred hamer born 14 aug 1853 and died 1915 and harriet smethurst born 1852...williams father was a john hamer born 1824 in manchester he married a sarah ann rayner in aug 1852 his father was william hamer born 1801 in manchester...sorry thats all I have on william hamers, I dont know who the last william was married to.  william seems to be a family name so we could have a connection somewhere

[Jo New]

Hi Sue

will speak to my mum and see if she remembers anything about William

ttfn Jo

[Mr. MIGKY]

I have put a copy of the street map for Hyde road from Ardwick end up to Belle Vue on another  thread , here is the link for it

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,214934.msg1299074.html#msg1299074

might help you?
Migky

Now has any one got a map with Church Lane Gorton on it please?

[tony h]

Yep got Church Lane 1905, manic here today  will get back later.
Cheers
Tony

[tony h]

Hi Migky
Will probably be weekend before i can scan Church Lane, in the meantime if you go to www.streetmap.co.uk and type in Cambert Lane you will see it on the other side of Hyde Road from Belle Vue station, heading NE it disappears and then reappears as Cam Ln to join Gorton Lane. That's the original line of Church Lane from Hyde Road to Gorton Lane. The Church in question would be St James. A few terraced houses at either end survive but there is a large estate cutting through the middle.

Best wishes
Tony