Thomas Alexander Lyle -Tanner

[cairolyle]

I am looking for information on Thomas Alexander Lyle, who may have emigrated to Nova Scotia with his two sons, Gavin and John. John and Gavin were born in Hamilton, Lanark, Scotland.  I have no records of him in Nova Scotia however. I do know from sources that he was a Tanner in Glasgow.

John married Sarah Spinney (Huskins from 1st marriage) in Barrington, Nova Scotia

Gavin married Janet Graham in Clyde River, Port La Tour, Nova Scotia

I would really appreciate if anyone has information on Thomas Alexander Lyle and his family....especially his wife. Have no info on her.
Thank you!!

Sincerely,
Joy Lyle    g.g.g.g.g.granddaughter to Thomas A. Lyle
Florida, USA

[rainbowuk]

Hi,

Do you have a rough year of birth for Thomas? Also what years were John and Gavin born? Can look for them on the census if the years are covered.

Susan

[eilidh]

Hi Joy,

Could you give us a wee bit more information please.  Do you have birth & marriage dates of sons John & Gavin. You say that Thomas was a Tanner in Glasgow, when was the last census you can find him in Scotland.  

This information will narrow the time frame and make it a bit easier to try and trace the family.

bye Helen
 

 

[eilidh]

Hi Susan,

Looks like we have over lapped   

Helen

[tidybooks]

Hi Joy,

Had a look on ancestry.co.uk but could not find a Thomas A Lyle with sons John and Gavin. On IGI, there are 2 John Lyle's who have Thomas Lyle as a parent, one from Cambusnethan which is in Wishaw not too far from Hamilton. The other is from Glasgow. Could not find a Gavin Lyle with parent Thomas Lyle.

Will probably need something more concrete to get search started.

Tom

[tidybooks]

Hi Joy,


Found this on IGI, is this the basis of your search. Seems to be that people have searched already and submitted records to make things fit. Have you any certificates with something real to start with.
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Gavin Lyle b 1751 Hamilton Scotland Died 06 Nov 1837
Parent Thomas Alexander Lyle

Married Janet Graham 30 Nov 1779 Clyde  Nova Scotia.

Submitted record on IGI
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John Lyle married Sarah Alexander Spinney Nov 1805 Argyle Township Yarmouth Nova Scotia.

Submitted record on IGI
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Tom

[tidybooks]

Hi Joy,

From ScotlandsPeople (SP) website all certificates are available.
Between 01 Jan 1553 and 31 Dec 1854, there are 4 Gavin Lyle's born in Scotland.
There are 3 in Hamilton and 1 in West Lothian. I will discount the West Lothian one.

Number 1 - Gavin Lyle b 03 Apr 1709 to John Lyle/Elizabeth Gordon suspect a young death becomes no 2 is to same parents.
Number 2 - Gavin Lyle was born 15 Jun 1712 to John Lyle/Elizabeth Gordon.
Number 3 - Gavin Lyle born 27 May 1752 to Gavin Lyle/Isobel Curry

Can discard Number 2 , I don’t think he was born 1712 married 1779 at 67 then died in 1837 at 125. So number 3 could be your man.. In fact can number 2 be father of
number 3.

Children of John Lyle and Elizabeth Gordon –
1 – Gavin Lyle b 03 Apr 1709 Hamilton – died young.
2 – Margaret Lyle b 19 Nov 1710 Hamilton
3 – Gavin Lyle b 15 Jun 1712 Hamilton
4 – John Lyle b 09 Mar 1714 Hamilton

Children of Gavin Lyle/Isobel Curry married 01 Apr 1750 Hamilton (extracted record on IGI)

1-   John Lyle b 18 Dec 1750 Hamilton
2-   Gavin Lyle b 27 may 1752 Hamilton

These are the 2 men who went to Nova Scotia, I think


Tom

[cairolyle]

To Helen and Tom, and everyone else helping! 

What I have so far is:
John Lyle married Sarah Elizabeth Spinney (Huskins-married name from 1st marriage) on November 29, 1805 in Nova Scotia. Sarah was born July 4, 1779, so that is why I was guessing as to when John was born. (Tom you mentioned a possiblity of John being born 12/18/1750, but that would be to a different dad, but it would match close to Gavin's birth date of 1751. I can't imagine the brothers being born too far apart in those days)

Gavin Lyle married Janet Graham on November 30, 1779 in Nova Scotia as well. (Guess late November was a favorite with these folks...haha) He died November 6, 1837 in Nova Scotia.  I don't know the date yet as to when John Lyle died. Working on that.

The info on John and Gavin I got from several sources, but one that told me about Sarah Spinney's first marriage and about John and Gavin was from the Family Tree Maker's Genealogy Site: Genealogy Report:Decendents of Susan Snow. Sarah Spinney was the decendent and since John Lyle married her....he was in the report.

In this report was the info on Thomas Alexander Lyle being their father and being a tanner in Glasgow. From the report it stated "Norway Historical Society, Norway, Maine; from David Ross, a Lyle family decendent, residing in Madison, WI." Info was taken from page 229. "John was a son of Thomas Alexander Lyle, a tanner of Glasgow, Scotland. John was an officer inthe 4th Dragoons. He was in the battle of Bunker Hill. He was given 200 acres of land in Shelburne [Nova Scotia]. John and his brother Gavin, grout the house and land of Elkanah Smith at Indian Brook and settled there. John later moved to Smoke House Point. John's sons Seth, and Alexander moved to Blanche."
This, and what I found on the LDS site,  is what I am working on in my lead back to Lanark, Scotland, and with Thomas Alexander being the dad to Gavin and John.

Another tidbit from David Ross states that "The earliest shipyard at the head of the navigation on the Clyde [River] was owned by the brothers John and Gavin and Alexander Lyle for whom Gilbert McKenna was a master builder.(Crowell, p.348)".....OH! Then it goes on to say "Gavin moved to New York, John moved to Smoke House Point and SISTER ELIZABETH married John Martin of Jordan."  A SISTER?? Didn't know that!  And the way that was worded, did it not sound as though Alexander was a brother?

I know this is a lot to take in. It is the best I have at the moment. I am still working on it. I wish I had more concrete info, but at least I have Thomas Alexander Lyle, who had sons John and Gavin...and possibly an Alexander and Elizabeth. If I can provide more info I certainly will.

Joy

[tidybooks]

Hi Joy,

As far as Scottish Records ( http://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk/ ) are concerned, there is no Thomas Alexander Lyle who had sons John and Gavin. I explained about the 4 Gavins that were on it, and then have traced to the only family who had a John and Gavin Lyle in it, who were of the ages , to go and get married on these dates. All of these are backed up with Old Parish Records of that time.
I have went on to the Scotlandspeople site , and between 1554 and 1854 there are only 4 births of Thomas Lyle: -

1 - Thomas Lyle - b 25 Apr 1669 to Thomas Lyle/Margaret Douglas at Cockburnspath, Berwickshire
2 - Thomas Lyle - b 30 Apr 1671 to James Lyle and Alisone Paterson at Cockburnspath, Berwickshire
3 - Thomas Lyle - b 29 Aug 1708 to Thomas Lyle/Jean Ridpath at Cockburnspath, Berwickshire
4 - Thomas Lyle - b 15 Jan 1824 to John Lyle/Agnes Tennent at Barony, Glasgow.

I do not think I could prove anyone of them to be father of John and Gavin. The first three are from Berwickshire and with no census until 1841, no other way of linking them to John and Gavin.

Could it be that Thomas Alexander Lyle emigrated and had a family across there. There are no registrations to back up what was said in the book that you mention. Sorry not being able to help on this occasion.

Tom