LANGRIDGE Edward, Completed thanks

[Rozzy]

The second pdf.  Hope these help.

Thanks,

Rozzy

[Jane MB]

Hello

I have had a look at the pdfs.

From the names i think I can see
Hastings
( he has 2 sisters- who got him into trouble)
Elizabeth (his wife's sister- patching up a quarrel?))
East Peckham  George Ellis ( who he will visit when his time is up and he will speak for himself)
miss Groves and rebeca culey?? (remember him to them)
little old fanny? (take care and should like to see IT?)

George Ellis (b1817)and his wife Patience live in East Peckham on the census 1851, he is a grocer. Now do you think that maybe this was the person who Edward committed the crime of burglary with assault on!!? That is why he wants to see him when he gets back to say sorry. As from the tone of his letter it seems his sisters may have urged him to do this and been involved in some way.

There are quite a few Groves people living in the Tonbridge area, but I could not find one living with Rebecca.

I am wondering about "little Old fanny". Why does he call her IT? maybe it is an object and not his daughter. In the sentence before and throughout the letter he is obsessed by his fiddle. He wants his wife to look after it, when she gets it from Hastings with his music and he has a new one in prison.

Could this be a nickname for his fiddle?!?

I have no idea abou Hied_u?  could it be Higher ?    as he seems to spell most words phonetically
 (I live near a road called Higher Dewar and this has awful spellings in modern times!) I have lived all my life in Kent and am still stumped.

Just a few thoughts
Jane

[Rozzy]

Hi Jane and Valda, thanks for all the info.

Yes, there are always more questions than answers unfortunately....

Edward professed his innocence continually, and wanted his wife to
go and see people to sort it all out.  I'll try to scan the rest of his letters.

I never thought of Fanney being the fiddle!!  He does make reference
to 'my little girl' and 'the child', at other times.  He was pretty annoyed
at not getting any replies from his wife, or having his fiddle and music book
sent out.    Apparently he used the new fiddle to entertain his family and friends in his 'new life' in WA.

The road called Higher Dewar - does/did it go to a place called that?
Maybe it was the road that he was referring to - phonetically it is close.

Looks like a brick wall!

Thanks,

Rozzy

[bearkat]

I've just had a look at the letter.

I wondered if Try Hiedue was Ivy Hatch (using a lot of imagination here )

[Jane MB]

hello

The road called High Dewar is very sort with a row of victorian houses down one side and used to have a cowfield on the other (now local authority housing). It used to be a dead end with allotments, but now lots and lots of houses!
It is in Rainham, kent  and I don't know why it has this name at all (no one called Mr Dewar!)

Your so lucky to have letters from Edward. I wonder where he lived when he returned - perhaps that will give us a clue.
Did he return in 1853?

I will have a look in 1861 (or anyone else! I don't mind)

bye for now.
Jane

[Jane MB]

hello
can't find Edward, but maybe he had not returned by then.

I had started to look for George Edwrd Langridge who Valda had posted as the son of Edward and Susan.

At Speldhurst, Tonbridge on the 1861 census I have found at the Coach and Horses Inn

George Langridge serv unm age14  inn sevant b tonbridge wells
with
George Groves  41 Victualler
Caroline Elliot housekeeper and her son William age 3
Ann ? a servant and Fanny Woodgate servant both unm aged20
Fanny Ditton 34, George Ditton25 and Richard Dittod age 11 months  as lodgers
Fanny Groves Sister unm age 31

If this is our Edward's son, could this be the Miss Groves his dad (Edward) refers to in his letters?
or is it just a coincidence? Am I getting excited about nothing?

On the sheet it also says ther are 14 males and 4 females at the Inn and they are listed on p 42. But p42 is the last page and just has details about the enumerator - or does it mean something else.
Perhaps someone could have a look to clarify.

bye Jane
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[Valda]

Births Sep 1845   
LANGRADGE  George Edward    Tonbridge  5 486   
LANGREDGE  George Edward     Tonbridge  5 486

all potential death registrations

Deaths Mar 1849
Langridge  George     Sevenoaks  5 349

Deaths Sep 1847   
Langridge  George     Tonbridge  5 379   
Langridge  George     Tonbridge  5 372

Deaths Mar 1849   
LANGRIDGE  George     Tonbridge  5 405

Deaths Jun 1849
LANGRIDGE  George     Tonbridge  5 405

Deaths Dec 1849   
Langridge  George     Tonbridge  5 377

George Langridge in Tonbridge on the 1861 census is still there in 1871 giving an age of 26 and still stating his birthplace was Tunbridge Wells. Ditto 1881 census.

Regards

Valda

[bearkat]

On the sheet it also says ther are 14 males and 4 females at the Inn and they are listed on p 42. But p42 is the last page and just has details about the enumerator - or does it mean something else.
Perhaps someone could have a look to clarify.

bye Jane
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The last page lists the ages and sex of the people at the inn from page 30.  All born England, county not stated.
Certainly an odd entry but looks promising.

[Rozzy]

Hi Valda, Jane and Bearkat

I had no knowledge of a possible son (George) until this research, so all
of this is a surprise.  The letters only referred to the daughter, so presumably
Edward didn't know about a son, which could mean he was born
about 1850.

I was hoping to find out more about Edward's parents, but a Joseph
and Binni(e) are not showing up in Kent, maybe they stayed in Brighton
where Edward was born.  (I'll check there).

I don't know if Edward returned to England for a short time after 1853, he
threatened to!!  He and his 'new wife' Ann Ralph (Irish immigrant -still trying to work her out!!) started having a family in 1856 - 8 children - and both are
buried together in WA.

Yes, possibly the Groves family is the one Edward mentioned, so that
could be our George.

However, I think we've exhausted the possibilities (?).  If you agree,
I thank you all for your wonderful research and we'll leave it there.

Thanks so much

Rozzy