Neil & Barbara McBride - 1841 & 1851 somewhere in Scotland

[MonicaL]

Hi Sharon

On reading through these posts again, I've just realised that you stated: "The only clues I have are that their McBride neighbours in Canada came from Argyle, so that is one possibility"

Can you post this other McBride family from the 1861 census. Maybe we can make a connection from that.

Regards.

Monica

[sesd]

It is a real mystery isn't it? Much better than finding your genealogy all done for you because your ancestors were famous.

There are 2 McBride families in the Dunwich area.

Here is one family, they immigrated before 1846:

Neil McBride (1806- 18 May 1876) b. Kilfinan Parish, Cowel, Argyll, Scotland Burial: Cowal-Mcbride Cemetary, Dunwich
& Mary McLeish (20 Dec 1810 - 25 Jan 1892)
Children: 1. John L. McBride (1833-1912)
                2. Jean McBride] (1835-1839)
                3. Margaret McBride (1837-1903)
                4. Nancy Ann McBride (1841-1914)
                5. Malcolm McBride (1845-1932)
                6. Alexander McBride (1847-1930) first one born in Canada
                7. Mary Jane McBride (1850-1930)
                8. Jennet McBride (1854-      )

There is also:
Dugald McBride & Sarah Paterson from Argyleshire,
son Neil, born about 1829
daughter Margaret b abt 1827
daughter Mary born abt 1837
daughter Christie b. ?
other children ?

Margaret and Neil had a cousin Lilley McBride living with them in 1881. She was born in Scotland abt 1854.


Does this help or confuse?

Sharon

[MonicaL]

Sharon, before I go back searching on the censuses and IGI land, one silly question from me  - you have been able to verify that Barbara's husband was called Neil from perhaps her death cert or other source?

It's a pity there's another Neil McBride over in Canada for 1861, knocks out the possibility of McBride brothers having emigrated together if we have two Neils. The closest connection would therefore be cousins perhaps.

Regards.

Monica 

[JAP]

Yes, I looked today at the 1881 Canadian census on FamilySearch and at any other possibly relevant online Canadian censuses.

But they didn't seem to help with this puzzle.

The IGI has the marriage of Dugald MCBRIDE & Sarah PATTERSON in North Knapdale, 29 Jun 1821.

Were it my puzzle, I'd certainly be looking at the OPR entries in South Knapdale - either on SP or (preferably) via a film per the LDS.

JAP
PS: The swap of MCTAVISH and THOMSON is not a problem, I think.  MCBRIDE and BRODIE stranger - but relevant that births/baptisms for either name are found with either of MCTAVISH or THOMSON.

[MonicaL]

Neil McBride and Mary McLeish's marriage looks to have been outside of Argyll on 3 JUN 1831 West Or Old Parish, Greenock, Renfrew, Scotland. This would fit with the first son John that you have, born 1833, as per your records.

Regards.

Monica
   

[sesd]

Monica,
About the Barbara - Neil marriage: all I have is the marriage record for their daughter, Catherine which lists her as the daughter of Neil and Barbara McBride. Fortunately she married after the civil registration began.

I don't know what happenned to daughter Mary.
Son John must have married about 1870-71, which is before the civil registration.

I have no other documents actually listing father Neil.

Sharon

[MonicaL]

I'm really struggling to find anything at all in the censuses  - across all 3 family groups.  I get the feeling some of them may have left in the late 1840s from the info you have posted. In which case, we only have the 1841 Census to try and find them and this is the least flexible of all the censuses for search purposes.

I'm not seeing anything under McBride and the standard variants. I googled for variants on the surname and nearly ran away given the multitude! For example:

Spelling variations include:
 
MacBride , McBride , Macbryde , Macbraid , MacKillbride ,
 McGillbride , Macilvride , Mackelbreed , McBryde ,
Bridson , Brydson , Killbride , Gilbride , MacBridan ,
 Macllvride , MacBraid , and many More.

How has their surname been transcribed I wonder - they should be there in 1841 

[sesd]

Monica,
Thanks so much for all the effort you have put into this.

I guess it is possible that Barbara is not Mary's mother, or that Barbara is the mother but Neil is not her father and Mary and Barbara had a different surname in 1841.  Based on the difference in ages being over 21 years, there is a good chance Barbara is Mary's mother.

I still have not been able to find any matches in 1841.

I wish you could do a search that said in effect, "here is a group of first names and ages, find the family that matches."

Sharon

[JAP]

Sharon and Monica,

Are you saying, then, that you have dismissed the MCBRIDE/MCBRYDE/BRODDIE/BRODIE/BRODY-MCTAVISH/THOMSON births in South Knapdale?

And the 1841 BRODIE family at Clachbreck, South Knapdale?

And the 1851 BRODIE family (brilliantly found by mike175) at Baileyerzagan, South Knapdale?

If, however, you still have the 1851 BRODIE family in the picture (which seems reasonable) that would keep the South Knapdale births also in the picture.  And - given that the 1851 family has Mary 16, Jane 14, Dugald 10, Catharine 7, John 5, Lillias 1m all born South Knapdale - that family would certainly be expected to be in South Knapdale in 1841.
Argyllshire 1841 is 100% covered on FreeCEN.
On FreeCEN in 1841 in South Knapdale, there are no MCBRIDE/MCBRYDE families, and only two BRODIE families - the Clachbreck family (with a Mary 6, Jane 4, and Dugald 1) and a family of Alexander 42, Christian 36, John 17, James 15, Duncan 13, Dugald 9, Alexander 7 at Baile Boidheach.
Also in South Knapdale are an odd James BRODIE 14, a male servant in Kilmory, and an odd Mary BRIDE 15, a female servant in Fermoch.
So the 1841 Clachbreck family would still seem to be in the picture.

JAP