Military records information

[leon59]

I just recieved my Grandfathers' Scotland military records, on the page  "Short Service" 1903 asked Do you belong to the Army ect, his answer was yes the 1st V.B. H. L. I. what would that be.
Also on the page "Statement of Services" it has Posted 4/12/13, Discharged under article 1142(iii) R W 4/12/03, what does that mean.
Any help is appreciated.

[Kevwood]

VBHLI i would imagine to be

1st Volunteer Battalion of the Highland Light Infantry.


Kev.

[atom12]

Hi

The Vounteer Battalion were Militia and were the forerunners of the Territorial Force (becoming the TF in 1908).

Does it say what  regiment he actually joined, or signed up to?

The ones I have seen have been more forthcoming with written reasons for any  Discharge due to misdemeanors. 

So I think it might mean he's been discharged from service with the V.B H.L.I. to serve with another regiment. 

Might be easier if you post a piece/s of the document. 

[leon59]

Thanks for the replies, making an attempt to attatch parts of the records, hope it works.


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[atom12]

Hi Leon

Norman joined the Cameron Highlanders on the 1st December 1903.  He'd served with the Volunteer Battalion of the Highland Light Infantry (Militia, similar to today's Territorials, except they were for Home defence). He was posted to the Depot at Inverness joining them on the 4th December.

For some reason [under article 1142 (iii) RW] he was discharged from the army two weeks later on the 18 December 1903. 

I don't know what 'article 1142 means!!.  He might have been  unfit which would not show until he went into the strenuous training. There is no mention that he was of bad character. 

[leon59]

Thanks adam12 for your help. I get more confused as I go. We have my grandfather's kilts and all and the glengarry(red & white dicing) badge is the Argyle and Southerland Highlanders. His Bagpipes even has the A&SH ribbon on them. Sporran is the swinging six. My Aunt said that he was in South Africa during the Boer War. Would it be possible that he was going to reinlist.

[atom12]

Hi Leon

Looks like you will have to dig a bit deeper, as you can see for yourself, his attestation papers state that he was only with the Cameron Highlanders for less than 3 weeks.

At question 11 "Have you ever served in the Army, etc ...  if so state which and cause of discharge." Norman has answered "No".   

Are you positive it is the same man?  If you look inside the kilt there may be a label with a name and number on it, also the back of the sporran may have his number, rank and name.

Are you sure he was a piper with the Argyll & Sutherland Highlanders?  Because the pipers did not wear the 'swinging six' 

Anne

[leon59]

Hi Anne, I'm so confused, I know I have the right man because on one of the papers it has his mother  listed as nearest relative. I'm not quite sure that he was a piper I just assumed it, I know don't assume anything.
Anne also on line 11 his answer also said "except as above".
I don't have his Kilt handy but did look at a picture I had taken and inside on the lining is stamped the numbers 1045 and under that is 10 and a 12 what ever that means. My husband doubts that I will never get to the bottom of this one but I am persistant.

[atom12]

also on line 11 his answer also said "except as above".
I don't have his Kilt handy but did look at a picture I had taken and inside on the lining is stamped the numbers 1045

Hi

The 'except as above' is referring to his V.B. HLI, Militia, where he served part-time.  He answered 'No' that he had not served as a regular, full-time soldier. So that does not make it likely that he'd served  previously in the Boer War [1899-1902]

Well this sure is a puzzler!  I don't know how you are going to solve it unless you keep delving amongst his stuff to see if anything else of relevance turns up.  What about photographs do you have any that might help! 

He perhaps served again in WW1.  What was his exact name, is it Norman Campbell, did he have/use any other name do you know!

By coincidence, there is a Peter Campbell with the number 1045 on the Medal cards, however, he served with the Black Watch.  The description you gave of his kit, ie, badge glengarry and sporran, suggests that he is an Argyll.