Rochdale Cemetery request

[Gillg]

No rush, Tony, they're not going anywhere.  

Gill

[tony h]

Hi Gill,
Had a great day but it might give you some headaches Beautiful blue sky day and knowing my commitments for the day thought i'd go on the way to work rather than later. Here's the first picture of the Adamson plot centre monument, second row. I've downsized to suit RC otherwise i'll be loading up 170mb of pics Enough to give the moderator the wobbles I'll post all originals to your e-mail. Also i tend to get timed out when trying to do this sort of thing and lose hours of effort so the story comes in 3 parts.

Tony

[tony h]

Second lot - The Hursts
Before searching for something that may be missing i went to the office and asked for location of burial 6238. no problem was the happy reply just give me a minute. well after 15 mins of pulling ledgers Andrea came back puzzled and said she had better come with me to sort this out. she had pulled out 15 plots located in and around a cenrtal vault with multiple memorials above we found the plots (adjacent to square E) and there was a veritable tribal burial ground of Butterworth, Tweedales, Hursts and interstingly Peyce, possibly Paycey on the adamson memorial, or and yes the odd Adamson together with Ashworth, Cleggs and Warbutons. Almost impossible to work out how they all connect but they do over a common vault with different memorials. Butterworth is the patriarch reburied from Parish church and is tall memorial in center of first pic, second row. To his left is flat memorial to Butterworth/tweedales. To his right is plot of Butterworths no memorial. And front row left is 6238 memorial John Hurst and Co but listed in records as Butterworth. i hope you are following all this as i'll be asking questions later

Tony

[tony h]

Ooops did i say 170mb I meant 17mb, but still too much for this site. The image quality of the originals and these i've posted are just to give you and other readers a flovour

So the hat-trick for the day is the George Thomas Hurst, wife Sarah Hannah and daughter Florence. Only a partial vicory i'm afraid In front of Butterworth the patriarch, and to the right of John Hurst is a smaller memorial to Sarah and Florence and then maddeningly the memorial just like George Thomas has slipped into the ground mIt's like getting to the last pages of a detective story to find someone has ripped them out  I feel sure his name will be there ,last on the list but sadly sunken from view. It looks a complete memorial, others that have broken nearby have been laid flat so i'm guessing this is complete.

I've thoroughly enjoyed the adventure so far and its been a pleasure to spend some time with your "Tribe"

I'll post full set to your e-mail and put location on the plan you sent.

Tony
 

[Gillg]

Tony

What can I say?  I'm overwhelmed by the time and effort you have put into finding and photographing the graves of totally unknown people.  This is a truly fantastic result.

It's interesting to see the grand Adamson monument on its little island there and to read about the complicated vault structure, then to see the simpler, humbler Hurst headstones.  I'm really delighted you have found the grave of my grandfather George Thomas Hurst, wife Sarah Hannah and young daughter Florence.  It may just be coincidence that the Hursts are buried near the Butterworths, but gt-gt-grandmother Betty Hurst's maiden name was also Butterworth.

I will email you privately, but just felt that you deserved a very public thank you for helping a Rochdalian far from home to get a little closer to her ancestors.

Best regards

Gill 

[Mr. MIGKY]

Well done Tony, it's great to see that people on rootchat will go out of the way to help others?

Migky

[Dale]

Kia Ora
Tony, Gill alerted me to your wanderings and I know how thrilled she is!
Feel I must mention in case someone else comes upon the site that both Butterworth and Warburtons currently reside in New Zealand and membersof both families I know personally!
So Gill it's now time to track your Kiwi connections! No 8 fencing wire available!
Great job Tony - I have been very grateful to a Rootschatter who found 2 of my rellies killed during the blitz in Teignmouth and can understand Gill's appreciation.
Regards
Marlene
New Zealand

[Gillg]

Hi Marlene,

Nice to see you on the Lancs page.  Butterworth is a very common Rochdale name, but as a Kiwi you won't know this, so I'll forgive you for suggesting that I look into their NZ descendants. There was even an area of Rochdale called Butterworth, and there are oodles of them!  I hadn't really gone any further than gt-gt-gran Betty B, though there was a Benjamin Butterworth (cousin) in the second carriage in gt-grandfather John's rather grand funeral procession.  However, the juxtaposition of Hurst and Butterworth graves is rather tantalising, so if the Butterworths you know out there have any family history details, I'll see what I can find. 

Warburton is a good old Lancs name, too.  We even have a bread manufacturer of that name, who has gone national, but uses the Lancs connection to imply good old-fashioned baking standards. 

Cheers,

Gill   

[tony h]

Hi Gill,
Thanks for the public and private thanks however in an interesting twist the inscription on your Adamson memorial has proved prophetical

“Verily there is a reward for the righteous”

Well i have my reward today for my 'righteous' act. I've had an e-mail from a priest in Ireland giving the probable place of my primary targets burial I've been searching for his resting place to no avail for 3 years and now i'm tantalisingly close to Patrick. I've been looking for his burial in London but now he appears to be in Surrey and i have a friend who lives next to the small RC cemetery who has found people for me there before.

You can see Patrick at
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,235884.0.html

Gill your search isn't over yet, i've yet to transcribe the 15 plots within the family vault but i'm convinced they are all your rellies, otherwise the Hursts are going to be cuckoos in somebody elses nest.

Marlene, we might make a Kiwi of Gill yet.

Best wishes

Tony