Rochdale Cemetery request

[tony h]

Hi Gill,
Your table makes things a lot clearer, however i'm having a very senior moment and can't remember now who i'm supposed to be looking up next I've got some time tomorrow to have a quick look.

Best wishes
Tony

[Dale]

Hi Gill
Sending you this in the hope you will be able to see ALL the messages now.
Marlene

[Gillg]

Sorry, Tony, missed your last message because my computer was frozen on Wednesday last and now it's Sunday  

With a little help from another Rootschatter and the Refresh button I am now up to date.  

Thanks, Marlene.  The problem seems to have been solved now,  I expect it was something daft  that I did.

Tony, I've almost forgotten  (oh, those senior moments , but I think it was those Butterworth memorials surrounding the Hursts that you were going to have a look at for names.  (My gt-gt-grandmother was Betty Butterworth.)  But on the 7th June you did already give me some of their names, and said that some of the plots had no names, so perhaps that's as far as I can get without the grave and grant numbers.  

Thanks for all your help.  I'm looking forward to hearing your broadcast.

Gill  

[tony h]

No problem Gill,
I'm off to work shortly and will pop into cemetery on way home to tidy up the names for you. I've also been meaning to go back anyway because i think they may be fallen headstones under the grass. The Crabtree or Wittom, i can't remember which has fallen, and the grass is growing over it. A number of the graves without markers have raised ground in front of them, where you might expect a depression. I'll take a plastic tent peg and gently test if there might be headstones under the grass.

Be back later
Arohanui
Tony

p.s found a useful article on BBC site on Maori language. We can now keep up with the Kiwi mutterings from down under
http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/h2g2/pda/A402382?s_split=1&s_id=1

[Gillg]

Plastic tent peg, indeed!  If the weather's anything like the deluge we're experiencing here, you'll need a complete tent to work under.  Don't get mistaken for a graverobber now, will you?

Ka kite ano (I think  )

Gill

[tony h]

Hi Gill
Rochdale monsoon didn't start till after 3. Weathermen said to expect a month's rainfall in next 36 hours - i think they meant 36 minutes
Managed to ferret about under an umbrella when it eased and the soft ground made it easier to probe plot 6236 Butterworth. I tried 8 locations with a plastic tent peg so as not to scratch anything down there - (I'm a big fan of Time Team  ) I hit something 2 inches down, 1 missed anything and 6 made contact 4 inches down. I resisted the temptation to stamp on the plot to get an overall feel for how solid the ground was, for a number of reasons.
a) reverance
b) i've spent too much time with your rellies already without wishing to drop in on them
c) can you imagine what an observer may have thought seeing me dancing on someone's grave

There does seem to be something at the same level as the adjacent fallen Tweedale memorial. It will take a spade to find out I'll talk to Cemetery staff about the protocol for this. I shouldnt imagine it will be a problem as it would be like tending a grave but on a larger scale. One problem might be that IF it is there it might not be face up as in that position it could have fallen forward. But we'll see.

I've produced a table of the relationship of the graves and placement of memorials using Andrea's helpful map. I'll post  here for now then transcribe all the inscriptions when i have time. I realise now that i didn't take a picture of Butterworths at 6102 or Pryor's at 6159 last time so i'll make sure i do next time.

Best wishes
Tony

[Gillg]

Tony

I'd love to have been a fly on a gravestone watching your activities    I really can't thank you enough for all the trouble you are taking over my relatives/plot neighbours.  It strikes me that I have been very lucky indeed that my family gravestones have remained upright and legible.

The Butterworth clan are so huge that it will probably be very difficult for me to prove any relationships, though it's interesting that there is also a Clegg monument in the same group - a relative of John Hurst's first wife Elizabeth with whom I'm in contact says there are are both Butterworths and Cleggs in her tree.  But then they are very popular Rochdale surnames.   

Best regards,

Gill

[jellybeans]

Hi All,
Sorry to butt in, but I have just been reading your posts about the Butterworths, etc. It makes fascinating reading, especially as I have Butterworths and Cleggs on my maternal side, and Hursts on my paternal side. Thank you for a very entertaining time, even if none of the above appear to be related to me, at this stage. I am still in the early stages of research, having only started searching in 2005. Keep up the good work, all of you.
Julie in Oz.

[Gillg]

Hi Julie, and welcome to this thread. 

I've followed up several Rochdale Butterworth families which turned out not to be mine, so if you let me have the names of yours, I might be able to help out.

Actually any of the Butterworth and Hurst names would interest me.  How far back can you go?  Are they all from the Rochdale district?  My oldest Hurst is James b c1773 in Milnrow, Rochdale, but I've just not been able to trace which family my gt-gt-grandmother Betty Butterworth came from.  There are so many of the same name around the same time.

Regards,

Gill