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Re: Rochdale Cemetery request
« Reply #27 on: Saturday 09 June 07 01:01 BST (UK) »
Hate to tell you this Marlene but you have been day dreaming during your long nights up! NZ winning the Rugby World Cup! :o Never mind Shakey Isles you are definitely on shakey ground there :) To keep this on topic, you have as much chance of doing that as Gill has of finding Elvis Presley in her family plot ;) The only reasons Kiwis are so good at sailing is to flee the land of the long white clouds and return to humanity :) ;) :D ;D
I'm not favouring England, the land of my birth, fancy the chances of a wildcard by Ireland, my bloodline, but despite NZ ranked 1st, my feel is for South Africa. NZ v SA is the mouthwatering final. Would love to hear your apology ;) ;D and we may have to switch this to the totally off topic bit and start a whole new debate. So wake up get a life and get used to being second best - now thats bound to start a Kiwi assault!  :) How come you guys can't stand losing ;D

Very best wishes
Tony

p.s Rochdalian interests, i'll post tomorrow re local studies enquiries about the plot.

Nite, nite Marlene and would enjoy your feeble rebuttal ;)

watch this space folks for an all assault :)
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Re: Rochdale Cemetery request
« Reply #28 on: Saturday 09 June 07 02:08 BST (UK) »
Every time I watch Jonny Wilkinson I figure he should be on stage - "so break a leg" fits very well.
Just because the Irish woke up & won A cricket match doesn't mean they can play rugby !!

On board Team NZ is a fellow with a Fairy genes wife. He is an Olympic Gold medallist, has a degree, an honour from Betty Windsor  and is about to win the America's Cup! He also played rugby! Firmly rooted in Aotearoa.
I should imagine Elvis "has left the building' or in this case  has "lost the plot!" so I agree Gill has little chance of finding him!

Another game with a C French team tonight- ho hum! Bet the guys have difficulty raising enthusiasm! But have a look - the Capital City wil have an all night party! Just like they do for the 7s!! NB-  we won that World Cup last week - did I forget to mention it????
Arohanui
Marlene
HUNTS: Fairy, Ding, Scotney, Swinton, Burgess, Brace
BEDS: Farey, Fairy,  Young, Rootham, Gell, Wildman, Cooper. Deighton, Flavel.
NORTHANTS: Hills, Mobbs, Twelftrees,
DERBY: Fairey,
LONDON: Fairey, Fairy, Burgess, Williams, Tanser, Picknell, Vinall, Plampin, Mullins, Day, Folwell, Bamfield, Brown
WATFORD HERTS; Burgess, Williams
WARKS: Fairy, Ward, Stephens, Reeves, Hodgkiss, Byrne, Hunt, Edgeworth, Harper, Dudley,
WORCS: Callow, Lowe

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« Reply #29 on: Saturday 09 June 07 07:58 BST (UK) »
Hi Marlene,
Had to Google some of the words you use like Arohanui, and loved this interpretation. There's a similar word in South Africa -Obuntu - which i learnt about 2 years ago when i was there (in time to see SA thrash NZ in the tri nations :) ) I now feel guilty about petty rugby rivalry. Winning isnt everything -Its the only thing ;D

Quote for the day
Arohanui is a Maori word which is a little difficult to define. Literally, it means 'big love'. In its real sense, it is not the small love which is confined to immediate friends and family, but is abundant enough to embrace all life. The world has never needed healing more than it does at present. But we look out at it, and the problems seem too many, too complex, too great. We are left saying despairingly - 'What can we do? We can't change anything - we don't have the power.' And it is true, isolated we are the little people.

But together, united, we can change many things, and return love and hope to the world. Out there - there are millions of people - people just like me, like you - who are scared, angry, hopeless, worried - but still retain the courage to hope and smile. All races, all ages, all religions, all culture, all countries. But increasingly we have become an anonymous body of people which takes away the fact of our humanity, our individuality.

Sometimes, we lose hope, because we cannot see things happen straightaway. We feel that there is no way in which we can bring about change. But every word, every action is like a seed. We may think that it falls to the ground and lies there, forgotten.. But like seeds, these words and actions will spring into growth in the heart of another, and flower and bear fruit. And from that fruit will come another seed, and another plant.

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Arohanui
Tony
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Re: Rochdale Cemetery request
« Reply #30 on: Saturday 09 June 07 08:28 BST (UK) »
Very fitting don't you think? Shows I could even love Jonny - at a pinch!
You can use it if you like!!
Now get back to sorting out Gill's Butterworth/Hurst/ Warbuton rellies or I'll be deep in Taranaki you-know- what!.

AND if anyone has "lost" any of the above say 1855 -1870 - please contact me with forenames! There's a heap of them who wisely came to Aotearoa & descendants probably play rugby for Otago or go curling!

Cheers
Marlene
HUNTS: Fairy, Ding, Scotney, Swinton, Burgess, Brace
BEDS: Farey, Fairy,  Young, Rootham, Gell, Wildman, Cooper. Deighton, Flavel.
NORTHANTS: Hills, Mobbs, Twelftrees,
DERBY: Fairey,
LONDON: Fairey, Fairy, Burgess, Williams, Tanser, Picknell, Vinall, Plampin, Mullins, Day, Folwell, Bamfield, Brown
WATFORD HERTS; Burgess, Williams
WARKS: Fairy, Ward, Stephens, Reeves, Hodgkiss, Byrne, Hunt, Edgeworth, Harper, Dudley,
WORCS: Callow, Lowe


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Re: Rochdale Cemetery request
« Reply #31 on: Saturday 09 June 07 08:56 BST (UK) »
Kia Ora Marlene,
Oh dear i've gone all 'antipodean' i must have a criminal background ;D
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A very good morning to you Gill, thats better - much more civilised :)
Back on topic, i've had a word with Rochdale local studies and asked if i have grave numbers can i see who's there? The answer was i need the 'grant' number which i have to get from Rochdale Cem. I am a bit limited for time at the moment so i am going to put it on the back burner for a while, if thats OK. If not please SHOUT and i'll get back on the case. Also i think this will only be a sideways look at what is going on in that plot and that the Butterworth link is back there with Betty B. I have managed to find her photo on the net.
Very best wishes to all, and i will sort out who's in that plot as soon as i can

Tony

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« Reply #32 on: Saturday 09 June 07 11:26 BST (UK) »
But to return to those Hursts, Butterworths, etc, there has been a strange twist in the tale.  Rochdale Local Studies emailed me yesterday to say that they had at last found the grave record for George Thomas Hurst etc, which was rather faint and difficult to read.  They also told me that another person  :o  had been buried in that grave "with Permission" (they weren't sure what that indicated).  What they didn't tell me was whether this person had a name and if so, whether they could read it.

It could be a child.  Remember I mentioned GTH's 3 stillborn brothers who were tucked in with other unknown persons,  but unless a stranger was put in with the family's permission when the grave was opened for one of the three burials, I can only think that this might have been the infant daughter of my mother's older sister (so GHT's granddaughter).  She was born in December 1931, but lived only for a few weeks, so maybe there's a legible date.  If it was post GTH's death in 1922, then the only people who could give permission would have been my mother and her sister.  Unless one of those Butterworths sneaked in, of course  ;D

Anyway, I shall have to wait for the photocopy to arrive and see what I can decipher.

Now no more sports bickering, you two, and a bit more of the Arohanui  ;D

More when I see the record.  And don't worry, Tony.  The grant number will be on it, as well as all Square, Plot and Grave Number, which we now know, thanks to your efforts. 

Gill in sunny Gloucester  8)

What a cutie our Betty is!
Census information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk

FAIREY/FAIRY/FAREY/FEARY, LAWSON, CHURCH, BENSON, HALSTEAD from Easton, Ellington, Eynesbury, Gt Catworth, Huntingdon, Spaldwick, Hunts;  Burnley, Lancs;  New Zealand, Australia & US.

HURST, BOLTON,  BUTTERWORTH, ADAMSON, WILD, MCIVOR from Milnrow, Newhey, Oldham & Rochdale, Lancs., Scotland.

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« Reply #33 on: Saturday 09 June 07 11:56 BST (UK) »
Hi Gill,
Great news, and a relief. Was feeling a bit guilty about putting the search on hold but with the grant number which i believe will belong to the whole vault i might be able to track down the rest quickly. I was faced with a scattergun approach of Butterworths etc from Wardleworth of the right age to hopefully stumble across the grave numbers i've got.

Should also be careful what we wish for! Could it really be Elvis in there ;D

Have a wonderful sunny day, looks like ours is over now as the clouds pile up over Ashworth Moor.

Best wishes and Arohanui

Tony
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« Reply #34 on: Saturday 09 June 07 12:31 BST (UK) »
While you're both full of Arohanui  ;) you might like to know the All Blacks had a reasonable practice run against the French tonight 61-10 - without our goal kicker!
I'm  :-[ to report the highest score ever against the Froggies , by any nation!

 :)
Marlene
HUNTS: Fairy, Ding, Scotney, Swinton, Burgess, Brace
BEDS: Farey, Fairy,  Young, Rootham, Gell, Wildman, Cooper. Deighton, Flavel.
NORTHANTS: Hills, Mobbs, Twelftrees,
DERBY: Fairey,
LONDON: Fairey, Fairy, Burgess, Williams, Tanser, Picknell, Vinall, Plampin, Mullins, Day, Folwell, Bamfield, Brown
WATFORD HERTS; Burgess, Williams
WARKS: Fairy, Ward, Stephens, Reeves, Hodgkiss, Byrne, Hunt, Edgeworth, Harper, Dudley,
WORCS: Callow, Lowe

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« Reply #35 on: Saturday 09 June 07 12:51 BST (UK) »
Pride, fall etc 8)
Have a great weekend you two

Obuntu
Tony
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