Rochdale Cemetery request

[Dale]

Kia Ora Tony!
Gill & I are actually trying to make connections through our common ancestors' name of
Fair(e)y - sounds like they are sitting on your shoulder just now!
I'm sitting up at this hour waiting for Team NZ to make it 5 zip in the Louis Vuitton Sailing Cup!
Next task is to bring the America's Cup back home  !
Then the earth will move!
Marlene
In the Shakey Isles

[tony h]

Hi Gill,
These are the fifteen plots that show as a 'single family' vault. I've attemted to set them out as they relate to each other 6238 and 6316 are in red. 6238 is definitely recorded as Butterworth even though John Hurst & Co are in there. 6316 is Florence & Co. The phot i sent of the group would have been taken from the left side of the page.

6104      6103      6102
Clegg      Ashworth   Butterworth

6160      6159      6158
Warburton   Pryor      ?

6238      6237      6236
Butterworth   Tweedale   Butterworth

6316      6315      6314
Hurst      Butterworth   Wittom?

6372      6371      6370
Aitken      Butterworth   Crabtree

6315 is the Butterworth patriarch.

Can you post Betty's details so i can try and see who she might be related to.

Cheers
Tony

[Gillg]

Tony

I'm glad you got your well deserved reward, though I see you are going to set me a lot of homework with those Hursts, Butterworths and Warburtons.   I did recently have contact with a Rochdale Butterworth descendant, who sent me a copy of his ancestor's will, but we couldn't find a connection.  Maybe some of the names on those stones will match those in the will.  

I do hope your search for Patrick's resting place is successful soon. In the mean time let me recommend that everyone checks out your most interesting website, and that those near Manchester book a guided tour with you.  What a lovely place the monastery appears to be, and what hard work everyone has put into restoring it.  

Best wishes,

Gill

Oops, just seen your next message, so will deal with that straight away.

[Gillg]

Hi Tony

I can see you are not going to let me off the Butterworth/Tweedale/Warburton (hm, could just fancy a slice or two of Warburton's Milk Roll ) saga, though don't know how much I'm going to be able to find out.  There are so many of them.  Interestingly from the Lancs Online Parish Clerk I see that a Simeon Hurst married a Mary Butterworth in Rochdale on 11.01.1773, witness Richard Hurst  Or is that a red herring? 

I don't really know much about Betty B either.  She married Thomas Hurst at St Chad's 19.04.1829 and came from Hamer, and of course we know she outlived him, dying at the age of 73 in July 1878, so she must have been born c1805.  The witnesses at the wedding were ?Hollows? and D Nield, and I have been informed that Mr Nield was a frequent marriage witness, so probably a clerk.  Don't know about the other chap, whose name is rather difficult to read.

The IGI has two extracted records of baptisms for BBs,  Firstly Betty dau of Simeon & Alice, b 10.03.05, bap 16.04.05 Spotland or Whitworth, then Elizabeth dau of Edmund & Ann, bap St Chad's 15.04.05. 

That's all I know at present, but will try to follow it up later.  Must go and make a meal now.

Best regards,

Gill

[Gillg]

A quick sweep on Lancs BMD for Rochdale marriages between Butterworths and Hursts from 1837 to 1900 has thrown up 9!  What's going to make things even more difficult to entangle all these potential relatives is that there are rather a lot of Butterworths who married Butterworths. 

In addition there are half a dozen Tweedale-Butterworth marriages for the same period, and just one Hurst-Tweedale.

Then there are 4 Warburton-Butterworths and 3 Warburton-Tweedales, but no Warburton-Hursts.

I can see this is going to be an interesting exercise, which will take much longer than the coffee break I'm currently indulging in. 

Gill


Love the name Tweedale.  It takes me right back to my childhood.  Isn't there a Tweedale Street in Rochdale?

[Dale]

 ;DYou'll need something stronger than coffee old girl!
A Fairy Cuzzie!

[tony h]

Hi Gill

Yes, this is going to get very interesting
I had a slightly disappointing trip to Rochdale this morning If your Hurst’s are in a grave listed as Butterworth and that grave is in a Butterworth vault then there must be some sort of link.

There are 2 options. The first burial is Elizabeth in 1860– so she might be a Butterworth, hence giving her the right to a burial there. Alternatively as Thomas’ son’s wife she has the right to be there because Thomas was descended from Betty B. Betty B is possibly descended from either Simeon B & Alice or Edmund B & Ann.

I realise there are a lot of assumptions being made here Also Benjamin B was at John’s funeral.

So I thought I’d take a look this morning for Simeon B & Alice or Edmund B & Ann, or Benjamin B. No luck I’m afraid as the Butterworth plots I paid little attention to the other night consist of the memorial you’ve already got and one other which also drew a blank on the names above.  There are 2 Butterworth plots with no markers but for which we have grave numbers. Is there a way of finding out who’s in there without paying for it? Local studies etc.?


For the record and interest this is the remaining B monument

Alfred B of Ashworth St 11/11/1876 35y
Elizabeth wife of Alfred 14/12/1907 Washington U.S.A  67y
Mary B of Spotland Rd his sister 24/7/187? In her ?? year
Thomas B son of Alfred  ? 1898 aged 30
Mary Ellen wife of Thomas 14/11/28 60y
John Taylor 21/5/1919 47y (How did a Taylor get in here )

Also lots of Wardleworth, Wardleworth Brook and Wardleworth Cottage addresses on the other monuments.

Well that’s it for now, sorry to have started this hare running, well actually i'm not its fun

Take Marlene's advice and put something in that coffee Tweedale St is still there

Tony

[Gillg]

On my lunch break now...

Marlene,

What are you doing out of bed at this late (NZ) hour?  Watching the sailing again? 

Tony,

Elizabeth, buried 1860, was born Blackwell, so that just leaves the tenuous relationship with her mother-in-law Betty.  I'll try and find the other names you mentioned, also follow up Betty's family, if I can. 

The grave records I had were supplied by Rochdale Local Studies for £4 (4 sheets, research and postage included).  They are always good value.  If I had applied directly to the cemetery with nothing but the names and approx dates, I believe it would have cost me £23 minimum!  I'm sure Local Studies would be able to look up grave records if we had the grave numbers.  I think they have filmed copies of the registers. 

I had a nice response from the cemetery office when I emailed them to thank Gwen for the map and Andrea for her dogged persistence.  They told me what pleasure it gave them to be able to help people find graves.     Oh, how I miss those friendly Northerners!

Lunch break over and no strong liquor imbibed so far...

Regards,

Gill 

[Dale]

Totally off topic! Now catching up on beauty sleep  but just have to tell you - Emirates/ Team NZ won the Louis Vuitton Cup (5  - zip!!) & I now have 2 weeks to catch some sleep before we challenge for the America's Cup! Swiss team, but led by Kiwis!
 
And then there's the RUGBY World Cup & the Netball World Cup before Santa comes!
Wouldn't it be great for 4 million people & 40 million sheep to hold all 3?
Can't wait!
Marlene
Shakey Isles