Lincoln woman needed to make man happy!

[miltonbank]

Now come on Geoff, play fair I feel like a kid who is just learning to count with his fingers has been planted in the middle of a discussion with Albert Einstein on applied mathematics!

You lost me on the "coincidence - I don't think so" line!

Can you explain it to me like the dork I am and stop the guys in the office wondering why I've been scratching my head for the last 10 minutes and gazing into the middle distance every in a study of concentrated angst!   

[Geoff E]

It's so simple really Julie Adele and Sarah Ann HANES were sisters.

Julie Adele married Cotnam TOWNSEND and one of their children was  Adolphe TOWNSEND.

Sarah Ann (eventually) married John LUCAS and they had a child Adelaide Clemence LUCAS.

Adolphe TOWNSEND and Adelaide LUCAS later married.  By my reckoning, they were first cousins.

As stated earlier, Adelaide was half-sister to the Sarah Ann who later shacked up with your Mr McBETH.

My only questions now (you do not need to concern yourself with them) ...
Who was this Cotnam TOWNSEND who turned up in 1859?
Where was Sarah Ann SYLVESTER between 1871 and 1901?

[avm228]

Where was Sarah Ann SYLVESTER between 1871 and 1901?

In 1881 (as Sarah A. SYLVESTER) she was with Adolphe and Adelaide TOWNSEND in Bradford: RG11/4460 folio 44 p9.

Anna

[Tjapaltjarri]

Wahey,

I have an interest in this thread. My daughter-in-law recently produced us a grandson and inter alia it came up that his other grandfather on his mother's side had the unusial middle name of grimalde.

So after a day or two of fossicking as to where this might have originated I came to John Usher marrying Sarah Ann Farmer in 1875. Sarah Ann Farmer had two brothers named Grimalde Farmer who both died in infancy. So some progress.

Sarah Anne's mum was Elizabeth Townsend b Holbeach ca 1831/2. She I think had two brothers Cotnam Townsend b Whaplode ca 1825/6 and Grimalde Townsend, christened Holbeach 1833. I suspect that they shared common parents in George & Sarah (Fields) Townsend.

On the 1841 census, Cotnam, it seems to me appears on the same page as his grandfather, Cotnam Fields as an apprentice newspaper printer and editor, in Holbeach under the name of Thomas Townsend - a common foible amongst the young who shun the unusual names foisted on them by their parents :-). Grimalde Usher was no different - went by the name of James!


Sarah Fields was the daughter of Cotnam Fields and Ann Grimalde who married in Holbeach ca 1794

So someone, somewhere on ancestry has either surmised the same as I about Cotnam Townsend's origins or sought the original parish records for Whaplode but they also give George and Sarah (Fields) as his parents.

HTH,

Howdie (in the chatroom)

[Geoff-E]

Hi

I seem to have enjoyed this thread at the time but I don't remember doing any fossicking

Cotnam FIELDS seems to have married twice at Holbeach (both to Ann's)-

http://freereg.rootsweb.com/cgi/SearchResults.pl?RecordType=Marriages&RecordID=1020520
http://freereg.rootsweb.com/cgi/SearchResults.pl?RecordType=Marriages&RecordID=1020899

Marriage 27 May 1846 at Willoughby
Cotnam TOWNSEND (son of George) to Chula Adele HAINES (dau of John)
See Spilsby spreadsheet here http://s10.freefronthost.com/mi/index.html

[Tjapaltjarri]

Geoff,

Now that's what I call fossicking.

I hadn't thought of looking at Freegen for ages as all I ever came up with was a lemon, and your posting has answered a lot of queries.

Fossicking is like setting up a lamp and a sheet and seeing what moths appear  - the Freegen lists are like lamps and have illuminated several of my trees.

If only I could find out where the Grimaldes came from originally. Ann Grimalde ca 1771 seems to have been a brick wall for many another and I am left wondering whether some of them changed their names to something more 'English' like Grimwood, Greenwood, Grimer etc. as despite being on IGI back to 16th century in Holbeach the records do not show any continuity and I am wondering if they were recusants.

Best,

Tjapaltjarri

[valsul]

I have Adelaide Clemence Sylvester marriage to Henry R Shepherd Sep 1913   Bradford. My records say that was the daughter of Adolph Sylvester and Sarah Ann Ellen Jackson. Death Sep 1975

[Eilleen]

Hi 

Only had a quick look in "find my past" newspapers,

but putting in the name Cotnam Townsend gives quite a few hits.

Eilleen.

ASSIZE INTELLIGENCE.
Shee, Cotnam Townsend, aged 40, house agent and photographer, was indicted for perjury, Doncaster, on 20th Nov., and second indictment also charged him with obtaining false pretences the sum of 81. from Maria White, with intent to defraud her of the same
Stamford Mercury
East Midlands, England
13/04/1866

[PennyvdB1949]

Miltonbank
Don't know if you're still looking for Sarah poss Ann Macbeth. I have looked at the Lincs Archives website (Lincs to the Past) and looked at the Baptism records for Welton le Marsh for the period 1850 - 1858 and the only Sarah Ann was a Sarah Ann FROST  born to John and Jane Frost of Welton - Father a Labourer Link is http://www.lincstothepast.com/Records/RecordDisplayTranscript.aspx?oid=717845&iid=177746 the other possibility is Sarah Ellen born to John and Ellen Burgess of Welton - Father a Baker
http://www.lincstothepast.com/Records/RecordDisplayTranscript.aspx?oid=717845&iid=177749
Penny