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Re: Lincoln woman needed to make man happy!
« Reply #9 on: Friday 01 June 07 13:18 BST (UK) »
Magic, thanks Geoff!

So, in effect, Sarah Ann's 'maiden' name appears to be Lucas? However, I don't understand the frown next to Adelaide's name? Are you unhappy with her age in 1901, which is given as 47? It seems to fit with Sarah - she was listed as aged 48 in 1901 census and while there are various discrepancies with her birth and year of birth, they are all within five/six years of each other.

I'll try to trace death reference for Sarah Ann Lucas around the 1915-25 period. I have a sad feeling she wouldn't have lived much longer . . . .

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Re: Lincoln woman needed to make man happy!
« Reply #10 on: Friday 01 June 07 13:26 BST (UK) »
The ??? was because three question marks automatically generates that smilie - I meant there was a word that I couldn't read.

I think I must chase this family ;)

1871
Welton le Marsh
James SYLVESTER 66 AgLab, Sloothby
Sarah Ann 46 Sloothby
Adelaide 16 Dressmaker, Welton
Hanes (male) 14 Welton
Sarah Ann 12 Welton
Adolphe 11 Welton
Susan FROST  (Niece) 19 Orby

I wonder how many Adolphe's there were in that corner of Lincs?

Marriages Sep 1856   
LUCAS    Sarah Ann         Spilsby    7a   833   
Sylvester    James         Spilsby    7a   833
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Re: Lincoln woman needed to make man happy!
« Reply #11 on: Friday 01 June 07 13:27 BST (UK) »

So, in effect, Sarah Ann's 'maiden' name appears to be Lucas?

This doesn't necessarily mean the maiden name was Lucas - Adelaide might have been married before.

In 1871 there is a SYLVESTER family in Welton le Marsh with a 16 yr old daughter Adelaide and a 12 yr old daughter Sarah Ann (among other children) who might well merit further investigation: RG10/3394 folio 67 p15.

Edited - sorry, Geoff E. - cross-posted with you - great minds think alike  ;)

Anna
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: Lincoln woman needed to make man happy!
« Reply #12 on: Friday 01 June 07 13:31 BST (UK) »
In 1871 there is a SYLVESTER family in Welton le Marsh with a 16 yr old daughter Adelaide and a 12 yr old daughter Sarah Ann (among other children) who might well merit further investigation: RG10/3394 folio 67 p15.

It's the Adolphe that adds interest I think!
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Re: Lincoln woman needed to make man happy!
« Reply #13 on: Friday 01 June 07 13:32 BST (UK) »
Adolph Sylvester then names his daughter Adelaide Clemence Sylvester (Adelaide C. per 1891 census) - birth Mar 1886 Spilsby Lincs - which makes it very likely this family is linked to the Bradford census entry for Adelaide Clemence Townsend.

Anna
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: Lincoln woman needed to make man happy!
« Reply #14 on: Friday 01 June 07 13:46 BST (UK) »
1861
Welton
James SYLVESTER 46 AgLab, Willoughby
Sarah Ann 38 Sloothby
Charles HANES 10
Edward SYLVESTER 12
Adelaide 6
Hanes 4
Sarah 3
Adolphe 6m

Sarah Ann had been married before
Marriages Jun 1851 
Hanes    Sarah Ann         Spilsby    14   1135   
Lucas    John         Spilsby    14   1135   

I can't find a death or burial for John LUCAS (the 1857 death was an infant)

I can see no birth for Adelaide but, as she was born between the 2 marriages, she would have been a LUCAS of course.
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Re: Lincoln woman needed to make man happy!
« Reply #15 on: Friday 01 June 07 14:10 BST (UK) »
Confusing, isn't it?!

So far, I am taking from the information that Sarah Ann and Adelaide were probably half-sisters (same mother, different fathers) because Adelaide's surname was Lucas when she married in 1876 (the same name as the mother's first husband, John Lucas).

Isn't it intriguing that Adelaide married an Adolph(e) (Townsend) in 1876 - the same name as her younger (half) brother.

Is that a fair an accurate assessment of previous posts?

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Re: Lincoln woman needed to make man happy!
« Reply #16 on: Friday 01 June 07 14:26 BST (UK) »
Isn't it intriguing that Adelaide married an Adolph(e) (Townsend) in 1876 - the same name as her younger (half) brother.

Is that a fair an accurate assessment of previous posts?

Yes a fair assessment I think.

I think the occurrence of Adolphe TOWNSEND with Miss LUCAS is just one of those coincidences that life occasionally throws up, even though he was born only a handful of miles from Welton  :o

1871
Doncaster
Cotnam TOWNSEND 45 Artist, Lincs Whaplode
Mary 47 Yorks Darfield
Julie Adele 20 Lincs Long Sutton
Adolphe 17 Newspaper Reporter, Lincs Alford

1861
Doncaster
Cotnam TOWNSEND 35 Newspaper Proprietor and Editor, Whaplode
Mary 36 Yorks Edderthorpe
Sarah 14 Sutton
Margaret A 13 Sutton
Julia A 11 Sutton
John G 10 Sutton
Adolphe 7 Alford
Agnes BEARDSHAW 14 Servant, Misson
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Re: Lincoln woman needed to make man happy!
« Reply #17 on: Friday 01 June 07 14:53 BST (UK) »
Re "just a coincidence", I've changed my mind

A baptism
COTNAM HAINES TOWNSEND - where did he come from?
21 FEB 1869 Saint Michael-Le-Belfry, York, Yorkshire, England, son of Cotnam TOWNSEND and Julie Adele.

Some marriages
Marriages Jun 1846 
Hanes    Chule Adele         Spilsby    14   1067   (She died in 1857, then he married Mary JACKSON)
Townsend    Cotnam         Spilsby    14   1067   

There's some funny things going on!

1851
Sutton St Mary
Cotnam TOWNSEND 25 Stationer Etc, Whaplode
Julie Adle 29 Sloothby
Sarah 4
Margaret 3
Julie Adele 11m
Kids born Long Sutton.

So the first Mrs TOWNSEND and (the second) Mrs SYLVESTER were sisters - piece o' cake!

And Sarah Ann HANES had an illegitimate daughter Julie Adele HANES with John LUCAS in 1846.
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