William MORRIS - Llanllechid

[Judmarg]

Hi thanks for that,
I had really traced the 1901 census for Tyn y caeaeu--as I still wanted to find out who lived at the farm in 1901. It was a tenancy from the Penrith estate.

In 1851 as you say there were a lot of the''morris'' family living there. On the farm you can see that there are 2 small cottages behind the main house.

In [I think about 1925's---the estate sold the farm --I   think to the Owen's, as my family had gone to Pwllheli and America by then.

I think it was sold again in 2003.

My main reason for finding more about the Willaim Morris born ab 1790's was where he came from--------He had put llandegai on the census,but that was in Bangor then
and it is difficult to trace the chapel where he was baptized--but I will keep on trying.

A lot of Morris's had originated from Anglesey. I will keep looking.

[Mair]

To put some info on the reason why William Morris registered in Llandegai on the census records - Tregarth being west of the River Ogwen is in Llandegai parish.  Bethesda on the other side of the river is in Llanllechid parish.  It can be very confusing if you do not have the exact place of birth - I didn't on a few of my ancestors for a while!

Tregarth was on land owned by Penrhyn for quarryman for the slate quarry - a lot of the buildings were built by him to house his workers. 

The estate papers for Penrhyn prior to the sale of land in the early C20th are held at the University of Bangor - they may have some information on the house that you are interested in, through rentals maybe?

Good Hunting

Mair

[Washy]

Thanks for the info Mair. Judmarg not to clear on how he related to family at tyn n caeau. William & Elin or William & Mary. If he is going off 1851 census then his David is my gt grandmothers brother. Seems big conicident if two families not related. I just can't kind out why they are not next to each other on census. If you look at age of William & Mary would make sense they had older children with older son probable named William.

Washy

[Mair]

Washy

Could be the way the enumerator collected/completed the forms on his "rounds" 

Looking at that stretch of 1851 census the enumerator seems to have split other "houses" up too.  There were often a few families living under what we know today as one house.  Looking even at the modern map - there is a long track to the homestead and there are dwellings at either side of the road.

Just a thought.....but we have to think away from exact science here as our census records today are collected in a completely different way to 160 years ago.

Mair

[WelshGen]

I agree with Mair about the enumerators methods having experienced problems finding my ancestors. I had two families living in the same street and living in houses next to each other but they were not together in the census. The 1841 census for Bangor, Gwynedd is even more in disarray.
Maybe the enumerator arrived at Tynycaeau very early in the morning and only one family were in and he had to come back late afternoon after visiting other houses and he entered them in the order he picked them up.

[Judmarg]

Hi all,
 I can see the points made by you all, the David Morris who seems to be the son born in 1823 son of William Morris and Mary Morris--- that was the line to my gran, my gggrandfather had moved to Pwllheli with wife before his sister Ellen married at the farm. According to records yes William Morris was born at llanllechid[Llanllechyd in welsh]
re; David morris 1823 had son Elias Morris born 1866---who had my gran Jennie Morris in 1896. yes it seems that we are related in a distant past.

[Judmarg]

Yes I  agree I should have put William Morris living at llandegai, but born[1781] in llancheyd  ---sorry for confusion-----

In the 1841 census [Parish of llandegai]----------they spell names the welsh way-----William Mores age 60  but only say born in county ,later on he says he was born at llanllechyd [still at Tyn y Caeau] farmer    also living at this address is Morris Owens age 30 and family.and William williams age 20 with Ellinor age 20and family.


how the Morris family camre into Llanllechyd I still need to find out.
Thanks

[Washy]

Hi All
Thanks, becoming a little clearer now. As you suspect not an expert at this. Thought David was one aged 3 on 1851 census with my family, hoped for help finding them on 1841 census. Have ancestry site but as I say not expert couldn't even find tyn n caeau    Would appreciated any help with this.
Best regards
Washy

[Judmarg]

Hi, Because there are so many people with the same name, you need to link the name to the birth date and where they were born, especially when they are a common name. The 1841 census only states the area--ie Caernarvonshire. the farm has about 3 cottages and main house.
Ty,n y caeau is a farm near Tregarth, actually Moel y ci now, the cooperative centre.
You will find it under Moel y ci on the website. It is on the map.