William MORRIS - Llanllechid

[Washy]

Hi Just come across this post as I've just joined Roots chat.
Believe William & Mary Morris are my gt. gt. gt. grandparents. My gt grandmother was Ellen or Elin Morris born abt 1840 parents William & Elin Morris. On 1851 census living Llandegai Tyn y Caeau. Only trouble is not listed with William & Mary,  they are a couple of places up. Have looked on old maps & only one tyn y caeau, so why not next to each other on census? mystery. Would love to chat to you

[Judmarg]

thanks for replying--
my grandmothers name was Jennie Morris,[she married an Evans from llanrwst]
 her father was Elias Morris[who for a time had gone to America, and came back] and his father was David Morris, he had moved to Pwllheli, but who had originated from Tyn y caeau llanllechid ---son of William Morris.
I believe there was a sister Elin Morris .[ A common name at this time.There was a couple 0f William morris's though.]
I will look at my notes again and see if i can find a Elin. have you any dates of the names??Did they stay in that area.
I was trying to find out if the Morris family had originated from Anglesey.
let me know any info you have.
thanks

[Washy]

Hi Judmarg give me a minute & I'll get details 

[Washy]

Hi Family on 1851 census 

393 Tyn y Caeau Morris William Head M 33 Clerk CAE
393 Tyn y Caeau Morris Ellin Wife M 30   CAE
393 Tyn y Caeau Morris Ellin Daughter U 11 Scholar CAE
393 Tyn y Caeau Morris William Son U 7 Scholar CAE
393 Tyn y Caeau Morris John Son U 5 Scholar CAE
393 Tyn y Caeau Morris David Son U 3   CAE
393 Tyn y Caeau Morris Morris Son U 6m   CAE

[Washy]

My gt grandmother Ellen somehow went to Rochdale where she married Joseph Midgley & my grandmother Jane was born. However by 1881 they had moved back to Llanllechid Wales. Where my grandmother later married Jeremiah Williams. The William Morris Williams rings a bell somewhere. Think he only lived a few doors away on 1881 census, not sure will have to check. Have also been in touch with people who now own farm. They say they have a plaque on wall about William & Mary did you see it.   

[Judmarg]

thanks for replying,
Yes I have also visited the farm,and saw the slate plaque.it is lovely---If you can look at the 1851 census say in Ancestry ,it will give you all the family--
On ancestry they call this under LLandegai--[which i think is with llanllechid]

 William Morris born 1781 age 70 farmer
married to Mary Morris born 1788 age 63 farmers wife
son     David Morris b 1823 age 28
gson david morris age 3--                      -[This is my GGG grandfather]
daughter     Murry[mary] morris b 1825 age 26 un
Ellin Morris  age 30
William morris head age 33 It does not say if this is the son]
William morris  age 7
john Morris son age 5
Morris morris age 3
William morris age 25 son [quarryman]
William owens [stepson]
Ellin owens[steps sons wife]b 1815 age36

Perhaps if you could look up some birth certificates it will tell you if they are directly in line.
let me know if you trace any more back.
thanks

[Judmarg]

hi again,
i just looked up the 1901 --
William williams age 50
Ellen williams 45
William Morris williams age 16

also the 1881 census at tyn y Caeae---llandegai---
Ellen owen age 25 born at tyn y Caeaeu

I think the Ellen here is the daughter of the daughter who married an William Owen
no children

[Washy]

Hi Judmarg
I don't know where you have got you info from but there seems to be some confustion. I have access to ancestery & have images of 1851 census Landegai. There are two familes living at tyn y caeau. one is on page 8 of 11 which is my family & yours if David Morris aged 3 is your g g g grandfather. see below

  Tyn y Caeau Morris William Head M 33 Clerk CAE
 Tyn y Caeau Morris Ellin Wife M 30   CAE
 Tyn y Caeau Morris Ellin Daughter U 11 Scholar CAE
 Tyn y Caeau Morris William Son U 7 Scholar CAE
 Tyn y Caeau Morris John Son U 5 Scholar CAE
 Tyn y Caeau Morris David Son U 3   CAE
 Tyn y Caeau Morris Morris Son U 6m   CAE

And on page 10 of 11 there is this family which I believe is headed by the parents of William Morris from first family. Always been a mystery to me why they are not next to each other on census.

 Tyn y Caeau Morris William Head M 70 Farmer CAE
Tyn y Caeau Morris Mary Wife M 63   CAE
 Tyn y Caeau Morris David Son U 28 Farm Worker CAE
 Tyn y Caeau Morris Mary Daughter U 26 Farm Worker CAE
 Tyn y Caeau Owens William son in law M 37 Quarryman CAE
 Tyn y Caeau Owens Ellin son in law Wife M 36   CAE
 Tyn y Caeau Jones John Nephew U 26   CAE
 Tyn y Caeau Evans Henry Servant U 78 Agric Labourer AGY
 Tyn y Caeau Jones William Servant U 17 Agric Labourer CAE
 Tyn y Caeau Jones Hugh Servant U 23 Agric Labourer CAE
 Tyn y Caeau Thomas Richard Servant U 21 Agric Labourer AGY
 Tyn y Caeau Owens Margaret Servant U 22 House Servant CAE

You seem to have both families mixed up.

Did David Morris on 1881 census live at Gray st Llanllechid?

Best regards

[Washy]

Hi
 by the way Llandegai is a village that comes under district Llanllechid which comes under Bangor to me very confusing.

Are you aware of the website www.genuki.org.uk

Tells you all about the village & also has transcript of 1851 census.