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Offline dapike

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Re: DNA Testing
« Reply #54 on: Saturday 09 December 06 13:04 GMT (UK) »
Hi Kojak (and everybody else too).

I wonder if you might be able to elaborate on a few questions...

For instance, does Genebase put you in touch with other people with whom you are a genetic match?  I know that other companies do this, but I have not been able to find out what Genebase does in this regard.

You say that you had your Y-DNA tested, but then you also say that you were reported to be a 46% match with the Na-dene.  Is this based only on your Y-DNA, or did genebase also perform an autosomal DNA test?  If it's just Y-DNA, then my guess would be that you might have been estimated to belong to Y-DNA haplogroup Q, which tends to be native american.  However, I know of several other people who were incorrectly estimated to be in Q when they were in fact in R1b (which is European).  You might find it useful to compare your Y-DNA results with those from other people to see how well your haplogroup prediction stands up.  For instance, you can conduct a search at http://www.ysearch.org and you can also enter your data into a haplogroup predictor at https://home.comcast.net/~whitathey/predictorinstr.htm

For those who are new to genetic genealogy and want to learn a bit more, I would suggest a few resources, such as:
http://www.isogg.org
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DNA-NEWBIE/
and this thread at RootsChat:
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,50312.0.html

- David (who has been confirmed to belong to Y-DNA haplogroup R1b)
Some of my surname interests in the UK: 
  HOBBS and LINTERN (in Ditcheat, Somerset)
  PREST / PRICE / PRIEST (in Cranborne, Dorset)
  PIKE (in Poole, Dorset as well as Portsmouth, Hampshire)

I am a volunteer administrator for the Pike/Pyke DNA Project...
https://www.math.mun.ca/~dapike/family_history/pike/DNA

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Re: DNA Testing
« Reply #55 on: Saturday 09 December 06 13:41 GMT (UK) »
What does 
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Y-DNA haplogroup R1b
actually mean, in words of one syllable that someone with no biological knowledge could understand ?  Is it linking you to, for e.g. the Inuit ?  the Celts ?  the Welsh of Patagonia ?!

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Re: DNA Testing
« Reply #56 on: Saturday 09 December 06 15:00 GMT (UK) »
Hi David and lydart,

Lydart,

A haplogroup is all about defining a genetic population.  The Celtic peoples would fall under haplogroup R1b - those having a predominantly western European ancestry. 

For a greater explanation on what a haplogroup is please refer to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup which is fairly straight forward.

David, (and others who amy be interested)

Genebase http://www.genebase.com/ offer a geographical descendant search after the Y-DNA test has been undertaken.  This search includes a geographical origins search to find out which part of the world our ancestors came from, and with the click of a button, a dynamic world map is generated to help compare your DNA markers to those from around the world.

The descendant search allows for a search to be undertaken to find other people around the world (who have taken the same test) who share the same ancestors.

Apart from the certified DNA test, genebase provide us guinea pigs with a search and analysis tool to generate statistical reports, such as, finding out our ethnic origins and analaysing the matches with others to locate close relatives (those with 20 shared markers).  Some people join the DNA glocal project and have their contact details (email) available.

So, to answer your first question dapike (sorry for the rambling), genebase does not put you in touch directly, but if you run a search, you can see for yourself who shares a similar DNA, belong to same haplogroup and share a recent ancestry, as you.  The onus is on those tested to get in touch.  I have found some people who appear to share a recent ancestry, but have kept their anonymity.

I have ordered an mtdna (to find out more on my maternal side) and the autosomal test in an attempt to confirm things as far as my haplogrouping is concerned.


Looking forward to the results...

best wishes,

Kojak

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Re: DNA Testing
« Reply #57 on: Saturday 09 December 06 17:21 GMT (UK) »
I used www.familytreedna.com  and was very satisfied with that. They offer to store your DNA sample, without extra charge, for the next 30 years or so, so you can order other tests on it without resubmitting a sample.

I see genebase.com is a bit cheaper, though it's not easy to see for the mtDA test how accurate it is, while the Y-chromosome test is more easily comparable with what other companies offer (number of markers tested). The Genebase web site is very slick, but doesn't contain all that much information. What we as customers want to know is if you match someone else's DNA, what is the probability of having a common maternal or paternal ancestor within a certain number of generations.

www.oxfordancestors.com is the company that started the whole business of DNA testing for genealogical research. They're currently a bit more expensive that the American companies, though. Partly it's the weak dollar, but also there's a key patent in the process that has expired in the USA but won't expire for another year or so in the UK, so the Americans can offer the test cheaper.

The National Geographic has a project, The Genographic project, that's taking DNA samples from indigenous peoples around the world. They have moved around much less in recent centuries than most of the world's population, so that can help trace the first migrations of humans around the globe . You can upload your data there, and possibly get a match - not just with individuals, but a match that can indicate where your maternal or paternal ancestors were tens of thousands of years ago. See:

https://www3.nationalgeographic.com/genographic/index.html?fs=www3.nationalgeographic.com
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Re: DNA Testing
« Reply #58 on: Saturday 09 December 06 19:52 GMT (UK) »
Hi Lydart.

As Kojak has already noted, haplogroups are just broad groupings that reflect deep origins (thousands of generations ago).  In the case of Y-DNA, they reflect direct paternal deep origins.  Spencer Wells has written a recently published book "Deep Ancestry inside the Genographic Project" that has some discussion of both Y-DNA and mtDNA haplogroups.

Haplogroups are named with letters, such as I, J, and R (these three are among the most common ones in Europe).  Subgroups are numbered, and then subsubgroups get lower case letters... so R1b is part of R1, which is a subgroup of R.  There is an interactive map at http://www.dnaheritage.com/ysnptree.asp where you can see where various groups have been observed in indigenous populations [just hover your mouse over each haplogroup letter]

Really though, haplogroups are not of much genealogical use.  But they are kind of interesting in their own right, and as they can be pretty well determined as a byproduct of the tests that do have genealogical value, they end up getting some attention and discussion.

As for genealogical DNA testing, there are a couple of web-tv broadcasts at http://www.rootstelevision.com/players/player_dna.html that give some indication of what genetic genealogy is about.  The resources at http://www.isogg.org are also worth reviewing.

I hope this is of some help.

- David.
Some of my surname interests in the UK: 
  HOBBS and LINTERN (in Ditcheat, Somerset)
  PREST / PRICE / PRIEST (in Cranborne, Dorset)
  PIKE (in Poole, Dorset as well as Portsmouth, Hampshire)

I am a volunteer administrator for the Pike/Pyke DNA Project...
https://www.math.mun.ca/~dapike/family_history/pike/DNA

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Re: DNA Testing
« Reply #59 on: Saturday 09 December 06 22:26 GMT (UK) »
A few points on Genetic Genealogy -

DNA testing can be far more cost effective than traditional paper-trail genealogy.  which can be at times unrewarding.
DNA testing provides comparable results. It is scientific proof of a genealogical relationship.
DNA testing can confirm the validity of paper records and family anecdotal evidence.
Compare your genealogy data with other individuals through online databases.

Genetic Genealogy avoids problems of spelling, name mismatches, 'errors of fact' on official documents, mistakes in records, gaps through missing records, also, events such as - emigration, adoption, remarriage, paternity, name changes, slavery, natural disasters, kidnapping, shipwreck, transportation, imprisonment, vague family anecdotes, etc. ....

....................  A well explained article ---

"Issue 127, October 2006 --- PROSPECT Magazine --
Myths of British ancestry by Stephen Oppenheimer

Everything you know about British and Irish ancestry is wrong. Our ancestors were Basques, not Celts. The Celts were not wiped out by the Anglo-Saxons, in fact neither had much impact on the genetic stock of these islands
Stephen Oppenheimer's books "The Origins of the British: A Genetic Detective Story" and "Out of Eden: The Peopling of the World" are published by Constable & Robinson

The fact that the British and the Irish both live on islands gives them a misleading sense of security about their unique historical identities. But do we really know who we are, where we come from and what defines the nature of our genetic and cultural heritage? Who are and were the Scots, the Welsh, the Irish and the English? And did the English really crush a
glorious Celtic heritage?

Everyone has heard of Celts, Anglo-Saxons and Vikings. And most of us are familiar with the idea that the English are descended from Anglo-Saxons, who invaded eastern England after the Romans left, while most of the people in the rest of the British Isles derive from indigenous Celtic ancestors with a sprinkling of Viking blood around the fringes.

Yet there is no agreement among historians or archaeologists on the meaning of the words "Celtic" or "Anglo-Saxon."

What is more, new evidence from genetic analysis (see note below) indicates that the Anglo-Saxons and Celts, to the extent that they can be defined genetically, were both small immigrant minorities. Neither group had much more impact on the British Isles gene pool than the Vikings, the Normans or, indeed, immigrants of the past 50 years.

The genetic evidence shows that three quarters of our ancestors came to this corner of Europe as hunter-gatherers, between 15,000 and 7,500 years ago, after the melting of the ice caps but before the land broke away from the mainland and divided into islands. Our subsequent separation from Europe has preserved a genetic time capsule of southwestern Europe during the ice age, which we share most closely with the former ice-age refuge in the Basque country. The first settlers were unlikely to have spoken a Celtic language but possibly a tongue related to the unique Basque language.

Another wave of immigration arrived during the Neolithic period, when farming developed about 6,500 years ago. But the English still derive most of their current gene pool from the same early Basque source as the Irish, Welsh and Scots. These figures are at odds with the modern perceptions of Celtic and Anglo-Saxon ethnicity based on more recent invasions.

There were many later invasions, as well as less violent immigrations, and each left a genetic signal, but no individual event contributed much more than 5 per cent to our modern genetic mix........................................
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to read more of this Article refer to my page at -
http://worldfamilies.net/surnames/e/edmonds/misc.html
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Hope this all helps rather than to confuse

EDO
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http://worldfamilies.net/surnames/e/edmonds/

 Benefits of Surname DNA Testing

 * Eliminate or confirm relationships.
 * Focus research towards related families.
 * Direct research into a geographical area.
 * Direct research into a specific timeframe.
 * Establish country or region of origin.
 * Confirm variant surnames are same family.
 * Learn your family's pre-surname migration.
 * Strengthen weak paper trails.
 * Avoid pursuing false connections.

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Re: DNA Testing
« Reply #60 on: Saturday 23 December 06 23:34 GMT (UK) »
I've had my DNA tested and found a lost relative. David PIKE and I help with the PIKE DNA project. While David understands most of it, I just pretend that I understand it...The bottom line is you don't need to understand DNA to find a relative or unblock your tree. Most Surname projects will translate the results into something you can understand.

Here is a very easy to understand article.
http://www.presstelegram.com/news/ci_4144963

Keep in mind that this is testing your paternal line which means if you are a female, you will have to find a male relative to take the test for you.

Stu
Whose maternal line goes back to William of Orange but I can't use DNA to confirm it!
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Re: DNA Testing
« Reply #61 on: Sunday 24 December 06 06:25 GMT (UK) »
G'day Stu,

You've certainly done a lot of good work for the PIKE surnames.

Benefits of Surname DNA Testing

 * Eliminate or confirm relationships.
 * Focus research towards related families.
 * Direct research into a geographical area.
 * Direct research into a specific timeframe.
 * Establish country or region of origin.
 * Confirm variant surnames are same family.
 * Learn your family's pre-surname migration.
 * Strengthen weak paper trails.
 * Avoid pursuing false connections.

My EDMONDS and Surname variations site is processing slowly.

EDO
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http://worldfamilies.net/surnames/e/edmonds/

 

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« Reply #62 on: Tuesday 29 May 07 18:36 BST (UK) »
Has anyone here been involved with DNA geneaolgy? Or know anything about it? Im seen a lot of articles about it but unsure exactly what you can get out of it!

Is it as good for women to do as it is the male line that carries the y chromosome and not the female!?

Any ideas or experiences about this would be most welcomed!

Emma


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