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Re: DNA Testing?
« Reply #18 on: Saturday 10 December 05 11:33 GMT (UK) »
Wow what an amazing story.  The diary must be a fascinating read, I wish my ancestors left diaries.  I read somewhere that 1 in 10 people have a different father, than the person they believe is their biological father.  It's probably one of those made up statistics as I have no idea how this could be measured.  Gosh so their are a whole bunch of "new" rellies out there.  Please keep me informed as this story sounds more interesting than a Catherine Cookson novel!
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« Reply #19 on: Saturday 10 December 05 11:55 GMT (UK) »
There is an old saying,  "It is a wise child that knows it's own Father"

How true, and I've often thought  that the  Mother's Surname should be taken

and not the Fathers.
 

Just think how our Name searches would be differant! Mind boggling to think of

the implications

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« Reply #20 on: Saturday 10 December 05 21:52 GMT (UK) »
I don't personally think I would give any of these companies one cent to have a sample of my DNA in their files.  Maybe I am just a wee bit too suspicious, but I don't trust them.  Period.

I'm in the states, and I too have heard that the US based companies keep your sample.  I'm sorry, but that smacks of "Big Brother" to me.  I plain flat don't trust ANY government source any more.

I have went into the various websites and have contacted many people who HAVE submitted their DNA in searching for their Quinn ancestry.  Not one of them has had anything good to say about the results.  They were all given very vague answers, such as "well, you possibly COULD be related to this line, but we don't have enough in our files, but it LOOKS LIKE you most possibly are related to XXX.  However, we can't be sure of this."

For the amount of money they ask, that's a bit too vague for me!

And I have ALWAYS had THIS question:  My family, of course, want to trace ourselves back to King Niall of Ireland.  We know we are descended from him, history has recorded this fact.  But wouldn't it be nice to prove it without question once and for all?

So, given this....would they not need DNA from King Niall?  Or at the very least, from one of his sons or grandsons?  There has to be some basis to test us against to make the connection, right?

So, where are these people buried?  From what I have read, they don't KNOW the location of these burial places!  So, if there is no body to draw DNA from, then there's no basis to test against.

That right there tells me that it's as much a money making scam as the one offering to "let you buy a star and name it after someone for eternity."  Yeah, right.  Stars are named by a government body, and they are not given names.  They are given numbers.  Period.  You can't buy a star, period.

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« Reply #21 on: Saturday 10 December 05 22:47 GMT (UK) »
I agree with you Patty

If they wanted a sample for free because they were doing research for a university project or something I would happily oblige but when they start charging silly money it begins to smell like a scam. I'm not usually suspicious but when they start to pressurise the only winner is their bank balance!  >:(

In Scotland there were lots of septs affiliated to clans. You didn't have to have any blood links to be a part of it. Only to accept the head of the clan as leader and do whatever dirty work he wanted done    :-\  How can they trace that ?

Like you I don't know how they can link back to someone whose very existence is almost mythical. Maybe that why churches used to keep relicts and bits of saints (they knew that DNA testing would come along one of these centuries!!)

Keep your bits intact and your cash in your wallet.
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« Reply #22 on: Sunday 11 December 05 02:17 GMT (UK) »
The DNA Surname Projects and testing in general are a matter of choice - your choice and I think it is unfortunate that anybody gets bombarded with mails from groups or companies .... it seems to have left everybody with a lot of negativity about it.   

I am in a surname project, just a member, have no connection with the administration of it and will not gain financially. Neither will our Adminstrator, who in this case is very good and our results and any connections are very clear and easy to understand.

I joined the project as I am at a complete standstill with my direct family line in 1800, which if you think about it is still quite early and well within the bounds of documentation. I hope to find somebody else with the same sequence which will give me some idea what happened to them and I look upon it as another 'source'.

I know that I have no blue blood, come from a line of Ag Lab's and do not expect to find any 'famous' genealogy, I don't care, just like all the rest of the people posting here and on other boards - I just want to know who they were and where they went!

There are some very good points raised in this thread, Patty is right, if the location of King Niall's grave is not known and she can't find a reliable source of his DNA, she can't test against him. But what if she found someone else with the same sequence who had reached an independent conclusion that they were also his descendants, wouldn't that also tell something?

The point about the Clan Septs is really apt, what if for example your name is Campbell and you joined a project and discovered that your sequence matched a MacDonald? Or in the case of the Morrison clan, did the Isle of Lewis really produce all these people with the 17th most common name in Scotland? Or again with Morrison, the great one 'R' - two 'R' debate? There is more to come out the testing for genealogy as whole ....

Romilly, If you want to give your husband a DNA test for Christmas and you can afford it, you should go ahead and do it. As Fiona said, it won't tell you who his grandfather really was, at least not today but it might in the future and Fiona was spot on with her comment  "At the end of the day the fun is trying to find out how and where we are all linked"

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« Reply #23 on: Sunday 11 December 05 02:36 GMT (UK) »
Lindsay - I do agree with you - if she has the money to do this and thnks he might like the gift, by all means, yes.  Find a reliable company and go with them.

And I am very sure that some people have had wonderful success with this project.  It's just with my line, no one involved in it has been able to get competent results - in fact nothing that really would help any person that is testing to find connections.

We only get "possible," "could be," "maybe."  That's not enough for me to spend my money.

For those who do gain more information, hooray!  I'm very glad it worked for you.  I just think in my lineage case, there's too darn many of us, and there's nothing concrete to base or compare the results to.

All of us are related to each other, we already know that.  We'd just like to figure out exactly where we connect.  I don't think this testing would help us.

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« Reply #24 on: Sunday 11 December 05 05:49 GMT (UK) »
Hello all,

Lindsay alerted me to this thread of posts and thought I might be able to add some perspective. I am administrator of two DNA surname projects, one of them the Morrison project that Lindsay mentioned. I am also Historian of Clan Morrison Society of North America, and the board of directors of our organization has approved our project.

Over the years I have tried to help many Morrisons with their genealogical research and have accumulated files on hundreds of Morrison families. I have a special interest in trying to learn more on the origins of my own Morrisons, my mother's family, and that is one major reason why I started the Morrison DNA Project. For those considering DNA testing, I'll give a little case history.

My earliest Morrison here in South Carolina was an orphan. It took me years of traditional research to trace him from South Carolina back to Pennsylvania. Then only from the records in Pennsylvania did I learn that his grandfather came from somewhere in Ulster. Further research into the family of his grandmother told me that the family probably lived near Coleraine in the early 1700's, but I was unable to find any definite record of the family there.

That was until a certain other Morrison joined our project out of the blue. He was an exact DNA match with my Morrison uncle! What did he know about his family? Very little. They were more recent immigrants to America. However, I was able to use American vital records to trace his family back to Johnstone, Scotland, in the 1860's. And then I was able to use Scottish vital records to take the family back another generation, only to learn that they had moved there from Ireland.

It seemed that I was stuck again, but it turned out that the unusual given names in the two earliest generations were only found in one parish in Ireland. And that parish was only about 8 miles from Coleraine. If it had not been for the DNA match, I would never have had this confirmation of my research.

Pressing my luck, I contacted a Morrison family still living in this parish, explained my research and asked if they would be willing to participate in the DNA matching project at my expense. Fortunately, they agreed and I found that this Morrison family was also a match with mine. I still don't know where my Morrisons lived in Scotland, but I'm confident that there will be DNA matches in Scotland, too, given more time and more DNA project participants.

So in summary, DNA research has been a great benefit to me in tracing my family. Not everyone will have the same success right away. Over 60% of the Morrisons in our project have matches, but that means that almost 40% do not. I suspect that the percentage of matches will go up as more Morrison families are represented in the project.

I'm convinced that DNA research is most effective when used in combination with traditional research. If your research tells you that you might be related to a particular family with the same surname, DNA can be used for confirmation. Some people do join our project without doing any research, and some of these get lucky and are able to connect up with other Morrisons right away. Others do all kinds of research, but still have not found a connection. DNA is a powerful tool for family research, and the benefits from it are real, but it is just a tool and not a magic wand.

25-marker Y-chromosome DNA tests currently cost about $140-$175 US depending on the testing company, but there are also tests available at no charge. This cost may seem like less when one considers the cost of a weekend trip to do traditional research or the time it can save by not researching the wrong family. Many of the participants in our project have sponsored tests for other families, particularly those who still live in an ancestral homeland. We are most grateful to those who have agreed to participate in this way to help us all unravel the history of our families. All of the testing companies that I am aware of have strict privacy procedures so that DNA results and identities of testees are not released to others without permission. In any event, the DNA marker results that we use in our surname projects are specific to families, and not individuals.

I hope this answers some of the questions that have been raised. I'll be glad to try address any others. More information can be found at the Morrison DNA Project website, or I can be reached by e-mailing morrisondna at mindspring.com.

Edwin Holcombe

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« Reply #25 on: Sunday 11 December 05 11:19 GMT (UK) »
Thanks Edwin

You have made the point that there is ethical testing - then there is jumping on a bandwagon - which some companies have done. We, the punters, don't know which company follows which line.

Your study sounds excellent - pity there are no Morisons in my line. We do have a Johnstone connection though..........and Irish...........

I feel you have clarified my thinking a bit and I agree with some of the others that it is down to personal feelings and preferences.

Go ahead Romilly at least they don't use great big needles for specimens in my experience (nursing) men reacted badly when they saw a needle and syringe!   ???

This has been an enlightening thread 
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« Reply #26 on: Sunday 11 December 05 11:53 GMT (UK) »
Hello All,

Many thanks to everyone who responded to this thread. (Special thanks to Edwin for explaining so clearly how it has helped him with tracing his ancestral roots).

I feel that I know a lot more about DNA Testing now than I did...:-)

I'm going to print all your replies off & read them all through carefully.

All Best Wishes, Romilly.
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