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1841 census look up - BANYARD
« on: Sunday 27 May 07 10:11 BST (UK) »
Hi,
    I would appreciate a look up for 1841 census, Banyard possibly Charles & Elizabeth with a son Charles also a Louisa Beckett,
Thetford-Thingo & Stow, not sure where that is.

Many thanks

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Re: 1841 census look up- Banyard
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 27 May 07 10:25 BST (UK) »
There are six Charles Banyards in Suffolk, with a wide range of ages between 40 and 3 years old.  I don't know what you mean that their name is "possibly" Charles and Elizabeth?  I need to know who to look for.

Might I suggest you give some ages on your look up request - better still give the details from the 1851 census.

Who is Louisa Beckett? what relation is she to the Banyards? how old is she? who are her parents/spouse?
Census Information is Crown Copyright, from The National Archives <br />Lunt (Wavertree/West Derby), Forshaw (West Derby), Richardson (Knowsley), Kent (Cheshire), <br />Cain (Hertfordshire, London), Larkins (Bedfordshire, London), Nunn (London), Lenton, Hillyard (Bedfordshire), <br />Parle, Lambert, Furlong, Wafer (Wexford)<br />Special separate interest in Longford (Blackrock, Dublin)

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Re: 1841 census look up- Banyard
« Reply #2 on: Sunday 27 May 07 10:29 BST (UK) »
Lodge, Thurston, Suffolk
Joseph Beckett 45 Independent No
Louisa 40 Yes
Louisa 15 Yes
Thomas 5 Yes
HO107; Piece 1036; Book: 20; Folio: 17; Page: 2

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Census Information is Crown Copyright, from The National Archives <br />Lunt (Wavertree/West Derby), Forshaw (West Derby), Richardson (Knowsley), Kent (Cheshire), <br />Cain (Hertfordshire, London), Larkins (Bedfordshire, London), Nunn (London), Lenton, Hillyard (Bedfordshire), <br />Parle, Lambert, Furlong, Wafer (Wexford)<br />Special separate interest in Longford (Blackrock, Dublin)

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Re: 1841 census look up- Banyard
« Reply #3 on: Sunday 27 May 07 11:15 BST (UK) »
It's a tangled web this one,
I have in the 1851 census,

James Newman 28 Ipswich
Louisa Newman 31 Reymerstone
Elizabeth Newman 9 Downham
James Newman 5 Downham
Louisa Newman 1 Downham
Charles Banyard 18 nephew East Dereham
all living, Market Place Downham Market folio 240 page 8

It's the Elizabeth Newman 9 I'm trying to sort out,
on my grand fathers birth certificate his mother is down as Elizabeth Banyard, but on his brothers cert. she's down as Elizabeth Newman,
James Newman didn't marry Louisa-previously Beckett until 1849.
The Charles Banyard 18 born East Dereham, I think his parent's were possible Charles Banyard and Elizabeth nee Beckett.

Hope you can understand this, and many thanks.


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Re: 1841 census look up- Banyard
« Reply #4 on: Sunday 27 May 07 15:35 BST (UK) »
Now you really do have me confused - Until I looked at the 1851 image for myself I thought we were working in Suffolk, but it seems that everybody except James Newman was born Norfolk and living there too.

This is an exact match for age and county for Charles but location is a little off.  I don't know whether it helps or not. 

Little Snoring, Norfolk
Elizabeth Banyard 70 Yes
John 35 ShoeM Yes
Ann 35 Yes
William 8 Yes
Charles 7 Yes
Hannah 5 Yes
Susan 3 Yes
Louisa 2 Yes
Elizabeth 3 months Yes
HO107; Piece 771; Book: Civil Parish: Little Snoring; County: Norfolk; Enumeration District: 7A; Folio: 4; Page: 3

I'm sure you are aware of the User Submitted Entry on the IGI of the birth for Charles with parents Charles Banyard and Elizabeth Becket.  I would suggest that you check the parish register to see if you can find an accurate entry for a baptism.

If you have the marriage certificate it should state whether Elizabeth was a widow or single, and her father's name should match her maiden name.

Yes I'm confused - I think I mean the marriage certificate for James and Louisa, presumably one of them is widowed.

Again found a user submitted entry for the marriage of Charles Banyard and Elizabeth Beckett 5 February 1833  Reymerston, Norfolk so it would seem to be the Reymerston Parish Registers that you should check also although the parish for there and East Dereham may well be the same.

I can't find any trace of Banyards in Reymerston, however in East Dereham there are quite a number, although no Charles born c1833, nor an Elizabeth.  There are however, a couple of Charles who might well be widowed - one is a Horse Keeper, aged 30 living in American Square

Another, again 30 living in the same dwelling in Etling Green, as a Robert Banyard 27 a Farmer, Sarah 30, Robert 2 and Fletcher 1.

Yet another living Fairstead, Gressenhall, a 25 year old Baker and John Banyard 15 Baker's Ap.

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It's the Elizabeth Newman 9 I'm trying to sort out,
on my grand fathers birth certificate his mother is down as Elizabeth Banyard, but on his brothers cert. she's down as Elizabeth Newman,
James Newman didn't marry Louisa-previously Beckett until 1849.

I think this is what is  confusing me most - in all of this I haven't got it clear in my mind just who is your grandfather and his brothr?  If he is Elizabeth's son who isn't yet in the picture then could it be Elizabeth Newman who married Banyard and then remarried to your great grandfather?

I think I'm  just doing too much guessing here without facts.  I seem to have given you all I have found.
Census Information is Crown Copyright, from The National Archives <br />Lunt (Wavertree/West Derby), Forshaw (West Derby), Richardson (Knowsley), Kent (Cheshire), <br />Cain (Hertfordshire, London), Larkins (Bedfordshire, London), Nunn (London), Lenton, Hillyard (Bedfordshire), <br />Parle, Lambert, Furlong, Wafer (Wexford)<br />Special separate interest in Longford (Blackrock, Dublin)

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Re: 1841 census look up- Banyard
« Reply #5 on: Sunday 27 May 07 16:27 BST (UK) »
I've had myself confused with this one ;D

I was trying to find Charles Banyard 1833 or Louisa Beckett c1820, in the 1841 census, to no avail so far,

James Newman is in Downham 1841 with an Elizabeth Newman as his wife.

My Grandfather was James William Addison 1871 Downham Market
Just to make it more complicated there was Elizabeth Banyard and Elizabeth Newman registered at Downham the same year.