ada winter

[marhat]

 i have a Ada Winter born on Westminster (st George Hanover Sq) i have her with her family in 1881 where she is a year old, i also have her in 1891 at home but in 1901 i cant find her or her mother.
         i wonder if anybody would have more luck than me, by the way her parents names were john and Emma Winter

[Meliora]

Hello, Marhat,

You might like to consider this 1901 entry for your John Winter & family.

RG13/88  folio  84  page 38
17, Cumberland St., St George Han Sq.

John Winter  head  Wid  age 48 Painter (House) b Westminster
Eliza dau  age 26      b  Westminster
Walter  son age 22  Iron Foundry Trimmer b   ditto
Hilda ?  (Ada)  dau  age 20  Incandescent..?..maker  b  ditto

The dau Hilda entry is badly crossed out, .da.. is easily identifiable.  I see from the 1881 census that there are daus Matilda age 6 & Lizzie age 4.  A Matilda is not with them 1901 & the entry for Ada had been shown as Hilda, could a mistake have been made in the giving of the name instead of Ada with the result is was crossed thro.    

Meliora

[Dave Francis]

I agree with Meliora.

It looks like the clerk corrected the original entry for 'Hilda' - presumably when check the details against the census schedule.

The occupation is "incandescent man. mak." which would have been short for "incandescent mantle maker".

Dave

[marhat]

going back to ada`s father in 1871 i have him in St John The Evangelist Civil parish, and it looks as if John and his parents and siblings are living in a seckt or something, as the space for parents or spouse  it gives for people in the building as John,there are almost 100 people in the building --- could anybody find what this place was and why so many people put John as Father and no Mothers name

[Meliora]

Sorry, but this is too vague to be able to follow up.

Can you give details of where you found John Winter in 1871, please.  ?  Was this in the 1871 census ?  What were the names of his father & siblings  ?

Meliora

[marhat]

  John is on page 5 of the 1871 census for John Winters, it says that he was born in Bexley Kent.
 on the Bottom of the page it has the code==
        Folio 34 Page 19 GSU Roll 838769
he is with his family
      Father William E b1821
      mother Matilda Winter b1824
children John b1853
           James b1858
           Laura J b1860
           Arthur b1862

I know that William and Matilda are the parents as i john and James in the 1861 census.

But the funny thing is they all say for spouse or parents ---
John and no mothers name apart from the few names that are down as housemaids and they have that space empty
   i hope you can help me

[Meliora]

Hell, Marhat,

I must admit to being a little confused about your reference to spouse & parents, a few names shown as housemaids & a lot of open space.  I don't know exactly what you were looking at.  Can you say where this info was ?

You omitted an important part of the 1871 census for the Winter family.  There should be a Piece no  preceeding the folio & page no.   Without this Piece no, you cannot find the folio or page no.  The census years are always shown as follows, 1841 & '51 HO107,  1861 as RG9/, 1871 as RG10/, 1881 as RG11/ 1891 as RG12/ & the 1901 as RG13/.  These nos are always followed by the Piece no.  On finding the relevent Piece no in the census , then look for the folio & page no, remembering that there are 2 page nos to one folio no.

However, nil desperandum, I did find the relevent Piece no  for the folio 34.  I think the list of names you refer to are the 46 people shown on the 2 pages 19 & 20 of folio 34 living at 117 Regent St. & nos 26 to 29 Causton St.  Details of the Winter family are >>

1871 census
RG10/122  folio 34  page 19
26 Causton St, St John the Evangelist, Westminster

William E. Winter  head  age 50  Joiner  b  Westminster
Matilda   wife age 47    b  Kent  Sutton
John  son  age 18   Moulder  b  Kent  Bexley
James  son  age 11   worker  in print office  b  Westminster
Louisa  dau  age 11   b   dito
Arthur  saonn age 9    b   ditto
Laura  dau  age 7    b   ditto

1861 census
RG9/50  folio 118  page 37,
26, Causton St., St John the Evangelist, Westminster

William E. Winter  head  age 39  Carpenter/Joiner  b Middsx Oxford St
Matilda  wife   age 37    b Kent  Sutton at Hove
William G,  son  age 17   tripe trimmer   b   Kent Crayford
George J  son  age 14       ditto       b  ditto
Matilda  dau  age 12     b   ditto
John  J.  son age 8    b  ditto
James G  son  age 3   b  Westminster
Louisa  dau  age 1     b  ditto

I hope this has cleared up any confusion.

Meliora

[marhat]

the code that i missed is RG10 Piece 122. when you open this page there are about 100 names then when you click on "view others on page" there are 21 names 17 out of the 21 says parent or spouse John.
        i hope you can help

[patrish]

I can see the page you mean and the long list of name but when you click on view others they come up in their individual familys as Meloria has posted. I can see nothing about father or spouses.