Did this Family Emigrate.

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Hi ChirstineR
                    The reason I think Gutlip on Rootweb is not the one is that he is 60 on the 1841 census in Gloucestershire which would make him 67 in1848 that would make him to old to be in the Army in India in 1848 although he could still be producing children at 68,it does not add up.
No they are not the same person my David b/1823 settled in Devon (after leaving the Army) from 1871 till his death in 1897. hope this makes sense.Belle.

[tropicalj]

hello  there

don't quite know how to spell it most likely back then some fold would have had the same problem but could it be Gottleib not Gutlip ?

regards Jenn

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Hello Jenn,
The spelling of Shubart is all ways spelled this way on B/M/D cert's, that I have on this family, there are many variants SCHUBERT, SHUBERT, SHOOBERT,I have come across these on the census,But the family members tie up, also dates place's,so I know its them.If a name is spelled the same way on official documents I would say thats the way to spell it.
 But with Gutlip there are no census in Uk for them, hence me looking futher afield,
By the way on a marriage cert 1849 India for David Shubart b/1823,his father is Gottleib.
Don't know if this is any clearer. Belle 

[ChristineR]

The reason I think Gutlip on Rootweb is not the one is that he is 60 on the 1841 census in Gloucestershire which would make him 67 in1848 that would make him to old to be in the Army in India in 1848

I didn't realise that yours was still in the army in 1848 in India.  The 1841 one in Gloucestershire is a gardener (I checked the image)  he has living with him a 18 year old Frederic and a 30 year old (I think a Marion - going from memory) who were both born Gloucestershire.

By the way on a marriage cert 1849 India for David Shubart b/1823,his father is Gottleib.

What was the occupation given for him?

Christine

[avm228]

and a 30 year old (I think a Marion - going from memory)

She's actually down as Mariam, which I thought was interesting (since it's a Persian name - might also have been used by Parsees in India).

Anna

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Hi Christine,
May be I should Have explained better in my first posting,
While researching David Shubart b/1826 Ireland,On findmypast (over seas) There was a marriage and birth cert for,
MARRAGE
Sergeant David Shubart, HM 84th Regt age 26 to Janet Copeland age 15 3/4 at Secunderbad,India,on the 13 Feb 1849,
Janet's father John Copeland,
David's Father Gottliel Shubart,
BIRTH
There daughter was born Mary Sophia 22 March 1850
at Trichinopoly,India
Father: David Shubart Private 84th regt
Mother: Janet Copeland
These are my Shubart's
If you compare this information with my first posting you may be able to see why I think there is a connection between the two family's (or not). Belle

[Bananacoaster]

Belle

I have just come across your messages re the Shubarts/Shooberts. 
I believe I have some DNA proof linking David Shubart and Gottlieb Shoobert, though I am not sure how to contact you off list.

My husband is descended from Gottlieb and his father has done an ancestry dna test recently. He matches a descendant of David Shubart. This person also matches a number of other Shoobert descendants.

Kind regards

Fiona

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Hello Fiona,

This is great news, i have been trying to find more information on Gottlieb (father) and Gotlip ( brother) of David Shubart (my 4 x Grandfather). I did eventually come across army records for both brothers which gave me the connection i was looking for, it seems that David (the younger brother) followed his brother Gotlip into the army from Ireland.

I also did my DNA recently on Ancestry. but didn't come up with much unfortunately.

If you want to PM me you just click on my name above the picture and you can do it from there.

Look forward to hearing from you Bell2   

[whiteout7]

Gottlieb Shubart and a British Soldier. Sounds like he may have been a Hanoverian. The origin surname is German?

He might have been born in Lower Saxony and had opportunities in the British Army because the Royal House of Hannover ruled England?