1861 Southwark Census LAWRENCE and STUTTLE

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Hi Cougar,

I hope your kind offer of look ups still stands. 

I am looking for ELIZABETH JANE STUTTLE, I have seen the surname written as Stuttels once, and she went by the name of Jane on all the census entries I've found and on her daughters birth certificate.  Her father was William Stuttle.  From her marriage certificate she was born in 1854, the 1881 census gives a year of birth as 1855 in Bow, Essex, 1891 states born in 1856 in Bow, London and in 1901 her year of birth 1857 in Colechester (as spelt) Essex.  So she's got younger as she's aged!  I'm hoping the family were in Southwark in 1861.  Her father's occupation is listed as Ships Carpenter.

The details of the census entries I have found are in the common room, under Colonies, name changes and prison.

I am also looking for her husbands family.  He was ARTHUR WILLIAM LAWRENCE, sometimes known as William.  Date of birth again varies but not as much, (the place of birth does though  ). Year of birth 1849 on marriage certificate, born 1851 Kensington, Middlesex (1881 census), 1849 Battersea, London (1891 census) and 1851 born in Yorkshire (1901 census).  He was a file maker/file cutter.  His father was William Lawrence and he was a Commercial Traveller.  On Arthur William's marriage certificate his father was a witness along with Ellen Lawrence, so this could possibly be his mother or sister.

If you or anyone else could help me out with this or suggest what I should do next I'd be very grateful.

Thank you, leaf

[Bryant]

Hello Leaf

ARTHUR WILLIAM LAWRENCE appears to have been born in the June qtr of 1849 within the registration district of London............St Mary Le Bow (near St Pauls Cathedral) is part of that registration district!..............if you obtained that cert life would be much easier.........£7-00 online it will reveal where they lived at the time, mothers name and maiden name as well as father and his occupation...it will also give you who registered the birth although generally it is the mother!

In saying the above...........here they are in 1861!

1861
14 BEAUFORT STREET, CHELSEA, MIDDX
WILLIAM LAWRENCE HEAD  46 COMM TRAVELLER IN STEEL    SHEFFIELD, YORKSHIRE
ELLEN            "           WIFE  38                                                               "
HENRY            "           SON    19                                                              "
MARY C           "          DAUR    17                                                             "
ARTHUR W      "          SON      11                                            CITY OF LONDON
LILLIAN H       "          DAUR     9                                                        "
FREDERICK AY "          SON      7                                              CHELSEA, MIDDX
AGNES            "          DAUR     5                                                         "
FRANK L          "           SON      1                                                         "
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Bryant

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Hello Bryant,

Thank you for that wonderful information    Lots more family members too.  It explains the Yorkshire place of birth recorded in 1901 also.  I will order the birth certificate also to get Ellen's maiden name.

Once again thank you for your time and for helping me.  It's greatly appreciated.  leaf

[Bryant]

No probs...

here he is in.............

 1841
WENTWORTH TERRACE, NETHER HALLAM, SHEFFIELD, YORKSHIRE
WILLIAM LAWRENCE  25   ?  MAKER   Y (BORN YORKSHIRE)
ELLEN            "           20                     Y
MARTHA BAILEY          20  F.S              Y
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*1841 rule would normally apply ie 20-24=20, 25-29=25 etc although in Ellen's case being a lady the reverse seems to be applied!
Bryant

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Thank you once again Bryant   .  That is so kind of you.  I'm probably being a bit dim but I can't think what F.S could be    I think I may have found a marriage for them, if Ellen's maiden name was Turner (will have to wait for the birth certificate) Oct-Dec 1840 in the Sheffield district.

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[Bryant]

f.s = female servant............m.s =  male servant

I have a feeling this is your family but needs more work!

1861
1 SAMUEL STREET, LIMEHOUSE, TOWER HAMLETS, MIDDX
WILLIAM STUTTLE  HEAD  43  MASTER CARPENTER EMPLOYING 6 MEN  COLCHESTER
SUSANNAH      "       WIFE  39                                                      LIMEHOUSE, MIDDX
WILLIAM        "         SON   16 ARCHITECTS CLERK                      RATCLIFFE, MIDDX
SUSANNAH A    "        DAUR 15                                                    LIMEHOUSE
EMMA               "          "      12                                                    RATCLIFFE
PAUL H             "       SON    9                                                     LIMEHOUSE
BENJAMIN         "         "       4                                                              "
HERBERT E       "          "       1                                                              "
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and their is a good chance that this William is connected...?

1861
ARTILLERY STREET, ST LEONARD, COLCHESTER, ESSEX
WILLIAM STUTTLE  HEAD  57  SHIPWRIGHT       COLCHESTER
SARAH           "       WIFE   55                                     "
WESTOBY      "        SON    20 SEAMAN M.S                "
SAMUEL         "          "       16 COOPER                      "
WILLIAM        "          "       14 SHIP CARPENTERS BOY "
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next door lives

ANN SHUTTLE  (UNM)  62  SUPPORTED BY CHARITY       COLCHESTER
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you would have noticed by now that their is a distinct lack of an ELIZA JANE SHUTTLE...........although I do see a JANE E STUTTLE in 1871 (aged 8 which throws a wobbly on findings thus far!) as per below and once again.............is this family part of the same from Colchester?

1871
14 RICHARD STREET, ST ANN LIMEHOUSE, MIDDX
ROBERT STUTTLE  HEAD  49  CARPENTER   COLCHESTER
MARIA        "         WIFE   48                       LIMEHOUSE
FREDERICK "         SON    20                                 "
EDWARD     "           "       17                                 "
MARIA         "        DAUR    12                                "
JANE E        "             "       8                                  "
CHARLOTTE "            "        4                                 "
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Hi again Bryant,

Thank you I'd not seen that before.  I've seen d. serv and dom. s. 

It is so kind of you to look for the Stuttle family too.  I don't think I mentioned that William Stuttle had died by the time Elizabeth Jane got married, 2/6/1875.  Maybe she was visiting her grandparents in 1861 if the family you've found is hers.  It would make sense with the Colechester and London places of birth recorded for her in the later census I'd managed to find.

The only time I saw Elizabeth Jane Stuttle was on her marriage certificate.  Everything else just had Jane Lawrence or Jane Stuttels.  Her father's name was definately William and his occupation looks like ship carpenter, but the ship's a bit tricky to read.  There seems to be a lot of Colchester Stuttles! 

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[Bryant]

That was a slip on my part..........should have read 1871........I found the same family in 1861 and JANE E wasn't there...... as one expected...........so if that is her? she would have been born 1862/1863

? did parents die? and brother's family raised her?

I forgot to mention BOW and LIMEHOUSE border one another in east London and the BOW mentioned here has nothing to do with the St Mary le Bow next door to St Pauls cathedral.................

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Hi Bryant,

Thank you for that extra information.  I'm fairly certain the people you've found must be part of her family with the Colchester and Bow/Limehouse connections.  I don't think Stuttle is that common a surname?  leaf