Re Copping

[cloke]

Trying to find the family of Elizabeth Copping born about 1820 Kent ?. She was the Daughter of Charles Copping . I have no mother for her and believe she had siblings . Married a William Cloake in 1851 in Kent England .
Cloke 

[casalguidi]

Hi Cloke

If it helps, Elizabeth Sarah COPPING age 30 married William CLOAK/CLOAKE/CLOKE age 31 widower (son of William) at Saltwood 25 Jan 1851 (I don't have any further details from the register).

Casalguidi

[bearkat]

In 1851 they were living East St., Hythe
William CLOKE 31 Ag lab
Elizabeth 30 both born Pedlinge
children
Louisa 8 Canterbury
Elizabeth 5 Ashford
Harriet 2 Hythe
George SMITH 30 hawker
& wife Eliza SMITH 30

HO107/1633 folio 551 page 17

I've not come across Pedlinge before

[casalguidi]

I've not come across Pedlinge before

Pedlinge is part of Saltwood (next to Hythe)

Casalguidi

[bearkat]

I'm learning 

Not having much luck finding her in 1841

[bearkat]

There's an Elizabeth COPPEN aged 20, female servant in the household of William NETHERSOLE?? West street Hamlet, Northbourne.

HO107/468/14 folio 6 page 5

[casalguidi]

I've noticed a death registration for an Elizabeth Sarah CLOAKE age 70 in the September quarter 1891 Elham registration district ref. 2a 521

Also, an Elizabeth Sarah CLOAKE age 62 b.Barham, Kent in the 1881 census running a lodging house at 12 Cheriton Place, Folkestone RG11/1010 folio 110 page 30.  Different birthplace from the 1851 census but I do wonder if this could be her.  Have you found her on the (1891?) 1871 and 1861 census to try and confirm (or find a consistent given) birthplace?

Casalguidi

[cloke]

Thank you all so much . You have been a great help . Now I have another problem if William and Elizabeth were not married untill 1851 . Who were the three childrens father . As William's first wife did not die untill 1845  . These children were born before that . Regards Cloke 

[Barbara F]

Hello Cloke
The only way you can check their parentage is by buying the birth certificates or finding their baptisms.
I have had a very quick look on the IGI but cannot see baptisms for them - you may want to check.
If William's first wife (Mary Alice?) died in 1845 the 2 older daughters are probably her's and William's.  Harriet could be a daughter of William and Elizabeth born before their marriage.  This could be her birth ref from Free BMD

Births Mar 1847 
Cloke  Harriet Maria     Elham  5 169   

I can't immediately see birth refs for the 2 older girls that fit the census info. Will do a further check.

Barbara