Help with Family name - HACKNEY

[lizdb]

So - does Joseph's birth cert give a father's name?

[Richard Knott]

There is a possible birth, although Pocklington isn't particularly near Leeds:

Jun 1883   Pocklington 9d 79
Caroline HAKNEY


The 1891 census has (indexed as ARNEY):

Bielby   RG12/3901
William Akney, 46, ag lab, b Everingham
Mary A, 40
Agnes A, 16, dau
William A, 11, son
Margaret A, 9, dau
Alice A, 9, dau
Caroline A, 7, dau
Tom A, 4, son       rest b Bielby

There is an Annie Akney, 20, b Bielby, (who the 1881 confirms is another daughter) who is a servant in Bramley, Leeds. She is still there in 1901 married to Albert E(dward) Turner.

The mother, Mary, is an imbecilic pauper inmate in Pocklington by 1901. I can't find Caroline at the moment.

Richard

[Richard Knott]

These may be related:
http://www.myfamilies.co.uk/ancestors/pafg247.htm


Richard

[silver1]

Thanks for that I wouldnt have tried a different spelling. I will try investigate this and let you know if I find anything.

There is no father at all listed on Joseph's birth cert.
Thankyou

[lizdb]

So it looks as though Joseph was definitely illegitimatte, and the dad on his marraige cert was 'made' up, as they so often are in those circumstances, rather than a case of a Hackney marrying a Hackney, as we thought a possibiblty.

[Richard Knott]

I wouldn't say that anything is definite yet, although it does look as if Joseph may have been 'uneconomical with the truth' when listing a father.

If we assume, based on her age at death, that his mother is the Caroline (H)ackney born in 1883, there are still big gaps in her life. We know nothing of her between 1891 and 1916. She appears not to have married before the start of the great war - by when she was 31 - and yet, when others were finding it difficult to find a husband as a result of so many young men dying at the front, she goes on to have at least one child and then get married, despite her comparatively advanced age.

It would still be good to find the 1891 entry for Caroline in or around Bramley/Leeds and the marriage between Caroline and Mr Chadwick. The latter, at least, should be in the ancestry.co.uk index.

Richard

[Richard Knott]

William Akney (father) is still alive in 1901, living with his eldest son, John (bc1870) in Pocklington.

In 1881 this John is living with Robert Balderson, 58, and his sister, 60, and is described as a nephew.
Of the parents and eight children alive in 1891, I have only found the parents, John, Annie (see above) and William (who is a servant in York) in 1901.
Alice, I think, marries an Arthur Walker in 1897; but Agnes, Margaret, Caroline and Tom are missing.

Richard

[carol8353]

I have this evening been through marriages for every single quarter from the beginning of 1916 to the Marhc 1/4 of 1943,but there are no marriages of a Caroline Hackney to anyone called Chadwick.

Hmmm- not sure where that leaves us now though 

Just re-reading your posting that says about his birth registration

I already have Josephs full birth cert. DOB 19.01.16 living @ 12 Bosnia St. Armley. Mother Caroline Hackney. Registered 13.03.16

I wonder if there is any significance to the fact that they left it more than the required maximum 6 weeks before registering his birth?

If anyone can suggest why this might have been please do 

Regards

Carol

[Richard Knott]

She may, of course, have called herself Akney.
Or, worse, still, have had another marriage before the Chadwick one.
This site suggests that she married a Joseph Teal:
http://homepages.tesco.net/~townsleyb/TownsFH/html/dat57.htm#46
How do you fancy another trawl?!
I have emailed the site editor.

This may a good source of material (the organiser still lives in the area):
http://www.one-name.org/profiles/hakney.html
I have sent an email and will report back.

Richard