Ralph or Ralphs in the Midlands Area

[adriatikfan]

I,ve just checked on the 1901 census - there is a William G Ralphs, aged 26(!!), listed as son of George and Sarah Ralphs, living at 5 New Bridge Street.

My memory of Wolverhampton is also fading. Where is New Bridge Street?

The interesting thing though is that he is listed as being a pattern maker.  Can there be more than one William G Ralphs whowasa pettern maker?

Hope this is helpful
David

P.S. If you come across anything about James Foley, born West Bromwich 1885, or his elder sister Josephine, born 1883 I'd be very grateful

[mike4301]

I also have a William Ralph ( known as billy) somewhere in my tree.  I was told he was a cousin of the Halls from Tipton. My mother only knew him as a cousin of her grandfather and thought he was  a Scrap dealer? Can anyone see a conection, he may also be from Sheffield or Lancashire... Its so confusing bye for now Mike

[Charlieralph]

The William G Ralphs son of George and Sarah was born in Birkenhead. George was born in Stafford and the son of William Ralphs born 1827, a bargee hence moved about a bit.
I would need more detail on the other William (scrap dealer) to make any connection, Iwill check data base for any Ralph / Hall marriage. Any idea of time period we talking about?
Don't forget we have two different family names here Ralph and Ralphs
Charlie

[mike4301]

Hi, I just found out from a Manchester site that my william Ralph had a metal recycling work on Ashton New Road or Rhodes street Manchester, maybe the corner.  Aparrently they had shire horses to pull the carts. there is also an E. Ralph, definately Ralph, witness at wedding of my great granparents, Timothy Hall to Elizebeth Bradshaw in 1903, Manchester. The other witness is R. Davis< i dont know who this is either. Sorry I cant be more specific as yet.
Thanks Mike

[Charlieralph]

Hi Mike,
All my information based on Ralphs are in the Staffordshire area so Iam unable to help on Manchester unless they came from Stafford?

Anyway,I think you will find Timothy married Liz Bradshaw Dec 1902/ Cholton/8c page 1437
Offspring first born Timothy Hall 1903
Could this be Timothy 1901 census Bradford Manchester?
Jabez Hall age 56 born Tipton Staff Greengrocer
Selina Hall age 54 born Menywood Worcester
Timothy     age 18 born Manchester Greengrocer
James        age 16 born Manchester Butcher
Walter      age 13 born Manchester Errand boy
Hope it helps
Charlie

[mike4301]

Thanks Charlie, and yes that is my family.I did get date mixed up. Timothy is my great granfather. Do you notice though that Jabez ,his father, is from Staffordshire. I thought thats where the connection to the Ralphs may have came in. I dont know for sure though, I will have to do more research. I will let you all know the outcome.By the way Jabez,s father was from Sedgely, Staffordshire his name was William.
Thanks Michael

[Charlieralph]

How far back have you got with Jabez?
Have you pick up the Wedding of Selina Bradley and Jabez Hall 1867 West Brom Vol 66 Page 835, if not it may be worth getting the cert.
William Ralph, my family moved to the Wigan area in the 1880s from Staffordshire. Bilston and William is a common family name, all  are involved with the iron foundry's so this may well be worth a follow up if you think they are from Staffordshire. I have checked the data base and no Hall/ Ralph marriages are listed (as yet!).
If your mother  knew him as a cousin of her grandfather
what sort of date would that put on him or is this Jabez 1845?

[Charlieralph]

Mike,
May have found William Ralph (scrap dealer)
William Ralph married Elizabeth Hall 1901 Cholton Manchester Vol 8c Page 949
Without getting Marriage cert this still does not take us back to Staffordshire but Ihope it helps in your search
Charlie

[mike4301]

Hi again, thanks heaps for that info on marriage. I am still hoping to find a connection with your line. I do have certificate for Jabez and Selina Thanks. I also have census copy for 1851;
William Hall  head 44 iron millman Sedgeley
Jane Hall     wife  41  BILSTON
James son 15 Tipton
William son 13 Tipton
JABEZ son 7 Tipton
Thomas son 5 Tipton
Timothy son 3 Tipton
It maybe coincidence but it seems we are searching around the same area. I havent looked up Jane and Williams marriage yet so have no idea of her maiden name. And so far I have ordered two jabez birth from the right time and both came back negative,one father Richard the other James. I do have one more to try though. I will have to try and rack my mums brains although she was born 1938 so She wont know that much, I will try though. Thanks again for all your help,regards Mike