1881 Census, Jesse Hall & Annie Bates. Completed Thanks Tati, Trish251 & Eyesee

[GeoffB]

Hello

I have Jesse Hall & Annie Bates Marriage:
1885
Jesse HALL and Annie BATES,
Sep qtr 1885, Godstone, Surrey
2a 299.
Marriage from FreeBMD

Do either of them feature in the 1881 census? Annie would be 32, & Jessie 29.  Family stories have Jessie as a gamekeeper on an estate, where he met Annie, who either worked there or was the Daughter....

So perhaps her family/parents (William and Mary Bates) from Fyfield Essex are in the census too?

Thanks

Geoff

[Tati]

Hi Geoff 

Did you know the 1881 census is free to search at various places, for instance www.familysearch.org and www.ancestry.co.uk ?

Where were both born? 

[Tati]

I see they have already been searched for in vain
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,229619.0.html
 

[GeoffB]

Thanks for your quick response Tati,
I asked here in the Surrey section because I have no way of knowing what actual sources are available to those who have kindly been able to help me.  The   

Thanks for the refrences I have now made some progress with their parents.  Thanks very much!
I have tried as you suggested, and cant find Jessie & Annie, but the LDS info may not be comlete.... I hope theres more census info available somewhere else    ??

Jesse Hall was from Hinton Ampner, near Alresford, Hampshire 1852, and Annie seems to be from Fyfield Essex, 1849

[trish251]

The LDS census is as complete as you will get, I would think - Could they have been outside of England/Wales at census time?

Trish

[trish251]

If this is your Annie - her mother may not have been Mary A. There is also a John Crabb with the family in 1861 & he could be an Uncle perhaps to William (middle name Crabb)

1851 HO107/1771 101/ 25 Essex Fyfield

William bates head widr 70 Farmer 42 acres Essex Fyfield
Charlotte bates daur un 35 do do
William Crabb do son mar 32 Farmers son do do
Charlotte do daur in law mar 30 do do  -  different wife to 1861
Sophia do grdaur 9 do do
Joseph do gson 7 do do
mary do gdau 4 do do
Ann do gdau 2 do do
Sarah do g dau 2m do do

1861 RG9/1066 71/10 Essex Fyfield
Whitney Green
William C bates head mar 42 Farmer 47 acres Essex Fyfield
Mary A do wife mar 42 Mdx Enfield
Mary do daur 14 scholar Essex Fyfield
Ann do daur 12
Sarah do daur 10
Charlotte do daur 8
Samuel do son 6
William do son 4
John A Crabb? boarder un 69 independant Essex Hish Ongas?

[Eyesee]

William Crabb BATES married Charlotte LUCKING, Mar qtr 1840, Stepney, 2 379

Charlotte BATES died Sep qtr 1859, Ongar, 4a 48

William Crabb BATES possibly married Mary Ann HOAD, Dec qtr 1860, Ongar, 4a 85.

Lookes like Charlotte was mother to all of them

William aged 55 and his wife Mary aged 55 were in Fyfield, next door to a Samuel LUCKING, who could well have been a brother to Charlotte above.

William Crabb BATES died Mar qtr 1864, Ongar, 4a 56

Perhaps Mary his widow married again.

Could not find Ann anywhere in 1871 or 1881, but did find possibly her brothers William and Samuel, who were butlers.

From the IGI if you do not already have it - submitted entry
William BATES married Mary CRABB, 15 Nov 1814, Chipping Ongar, Essex

Ian C

[Eyesee]

1881
RG11/266/97/6
In St Mary's Islington (can't make out the street name) there is a William LEWIS, Solicitor aged 49. Along with his family there are three servants, one of whom is indexed at Annie BALES. Looking at the image it could be BATES, without the T crossed. She is aged 32 and born Essex.

Only Annie that I can see that looks about the right age etc.

Ian C

[Eyesee]

Looking for Jesse, but still can't find him in 1881. His brother James is in West Meon, Hampshire, with a son Jesse. At least I assume he is a brother, born 1856 at Hinton Ampner.

Ian C