Annie Brookes or Brooks

[RondoWriter]

Annie was my great grandmother. She married James Albert Penn MOULE 1/08/1891 Wolverhampton.

We know her birth (17/05/1868 Wolverhampton) and marriage and she is in the censuses for 1871 (with her widowed dad George), 1881 (with her widowed aunt Eliza Thomas; also sister Eliza) & 1901 (married with JAP Moule).

But we cannot find her in the 1891. Nor can we find any of her siblings Eliza (b. ABT 1860 Wolverhampton, no deaths & no marriages recorded before 1891), George (Q4 1861 Wolverhampton, no deaths), Richard (Q2 1863 Wolverhampton, no deaths) or Francis (Q2 1866 Wolverhampton, no deaths). This implies that the family wasn't registered or it is under a very odd version of the name. I suspect the former.

The marriage certificate in August 1891 states that she was living in Waterloo Rd Wolverhampton, but I cannot find any trace in the relevant Wolverhampton West districts 36, 38 or 39.

Can anyone help, please?

[millymcb]

Hi Rondo

Havn't found Annie yet but this looks like it could be Eliza.. 

1891 England Census
ELIZA BROOKS
8 Fleet Street, (Bk 1?) Coventry
Coventry St John

Eleanor Ball    18
Eliza Brooks    26 (1865)    Boarder, BOOT MACHINIST, Wolverhampton
Eveleen M Donnell    4
Kathleen E Donnell    7
Maria C Donnell    38
Elizabeth Tims    38
James Tims    48
May I Tims    5
   
RG12/2450/ 62 p1

[karenlee]

This might be George :-

1891 Census England Staffordshire Wednesfield
RG12/2240/17/28
4 Church Street

In the household of Lester HOLLINS, aged 39, Tailor

BROOKS George Boarder Unmarr 29 Tailor Staffordshire Wolverhampton

1881  Census England Staffordshire Wednesfield
RG11/2811/38/34
3 Church Street

Same household as in 1891

BROOKS George Apprentice Unmarr 19 Tailor's Apprentice Wolverhampton Staffordshire

Cheers
Karenlee

[millymcb]

I've found some possibilities for the brothers.... which you can check against any known wives and occupations to see if it is them or not....   
 

1891 England Census

Francis J Brookes
Birth abt 1859
address: 150 Clifton St, SWINDON, WILTSHIRE

Francis J Brookes    32  Tinsmith  B Wolverhampton
Francis J Brookes    11/12 born Swindon
Mary A Brookes    30  born Wolverhampton
   
 RG12; Piece: 1583; Folio 15; Page 23; GSU roll: 6096693


Marriages Sep 1888   
BROOKES    Francis John        Wolverhampton    6b   834   
STYCHE    Mary Agnes         Wolverhampton    6b   834    



RICHARD
 
Born abt 1861   West Bromwich, Staffordshire, England
ADDRESS 4 Court, Duke Street, Wolverhampton
   
Bert Brookes    4
Charlotte Brookes    25
Richard Brookes    30   Groom
William Brookes    6
   
RG12; Piece: 2234; Folio 102; Page 21; GSU roll: 6097344


Marriages Sep 1884   
BROOKES    Richard        Wolverhampton    6b   748   
KNOWLES    Charlotte         Wolverhampton    6b   748   



GEORGE BROOKS
BORN abt 1862 Wolverhampton
Relation:    Boarder
address 4 Church Street, Wednesfield, Wolverhampton

George Brooks    29 boarder, tailor
Annie Hollins    10
Arthur Hollins    3
Edith Hollins    16
Emma Hollins    8
Fred T Hollins    18
Harry Hollins    14
Herbert Hollins    12
Lester Hollins    39
Mary Hollins    40
Nellie Hollins    5
   
RG12; Piece: 2240; Folio 17; Page 28; GSU roll: 6097350



Still no sign of Annie unfortunately.  But it's a start on the brothers.  I had hoped to find her living with one of them but it wasn't to be.

 

[RondoWriter]

Thanks for those so far.

I'm going to accept George as the tailor as per karenlee & millymcb. My dad had found this separately, I subsequently discover, & it matches in the 1901 as well, when he seems to be married to Kate BAKER.

Thanks for that.

As for Eliza per millymcb:

I'm not sure about this one, as 26 in 1891 does not fit with known ages of 1 in 1861, 11 in 1871 & 20 in 1881.  Also there is an Elizabeth Brooks born Q4 1864 Wolverhampton, but I think this Elizabeth moved to Wiltshire per the 1871.

On the other hand, I was already aware of a 1901 Eliza Brookes that was then only on my possible list, spelled with an e, aged 39, leather machinist (RG13/2912/183/21). This is in Coventry. Also there does not appear to be any birth registered for an Eliza with or without an e in 1861-1862 so that age does appear to be "wrong", but fits better with the known ages quoted above.

[Ages of 1, 11 & 20 really fit only the Q2 1859 Eliza Brookes, who should therefore be registered as 30 or 31 in 1891 and 40 or 41 in 1901].

I'm inclined to accept that Eliza tentatively, therefore.

As for Richard: there is a Richard Brookes born Q2 1863 in Wolverhampton, which fits his age of 8 in the 1871. There is also a Richard Brookes born Q2 1861 in West Bromwich, which fits your citing. Contradicting all of this, there is an IGI record for Richard Brooks 8 Nov 1863 Wolverhampton to Richard & Ann Brooks, which is absolutely right & is also good for age 8 in 1871. On that basis I'll just bear it in mind at this stage.

As for Francis: your Francis is simply too old in my view, as we have Francis aged 4 in 1871. Your Francis is I think the Francis J born in 1861 to Lucy, which clearly does not match "our" Francis. So I'm not convinced yet.

As a matter of interest, we can't find Richard or Francis in the 1881 either.

Pity about the lack of Annies so far, as that's the one of real interest!!

Regards

Chris

[millymcb]

Do you have them in 1901?  I was thinking they may have emigrated or were perhaps in the army - often a good bet when people disappear completely.

The 1891 Eliza is down as Boot Machinist in 1881 and again in this one in 1891.  It's quite a specific occupation to put down which is why I think it worth considering even though the ages don't match exactly..although I do agree that it is a little further out than I would like.

I too have my doubts about Richard - especially if there is another Birth which fits better.

 

[Lou1]

As a matter of interest, the HOLLINS family are my ancestors!  Lester HOLLINS, the tailor, was my greatx2 grandfather on my father's side.  I wondered who the BROOKS was... it's nice to see he belongs to somebody!

Cheers
Louise