Issacher TRUDGIAN/TRUDGEON

[Elliebob]

Thanks so much Carolyn.  It's really great to have extra information which was handed down in the the family.

Kris, I went to the record office and didn't find very much more information than you did, so I sent for Agnes and John's marriage certificate.  Her father is stated as Frederick Fox and John was a mariner which would explain why they were in Falmouth.  They were married in the parish church but instead of the "Established" church it had been crossed out and "Catholic" put in and the officiant was described as "priest".  Do you think this would mean that it was Roman Catholic as I know that the RC church would not have necessarily licensed for marriages in 1867.
i also have the birth certificate for Agness Cragg and her parents are Frederick Cragg and Eliza (nee Allen)  i am really intrigued as to why they kept on changing names and where the Fox came from.  The Fox family in Cornwall was quite prominent!!

Thanks to all for your help and interest.

Best wishes, Ellen

[krisesjoint]

Hi Ellen,

Yes the constant name changes fascinates me also. (Three so different names) Pity you did not discover anything further at the records office. 

Prior to the onset of civil registration, marriages could only be performed in the  Established (C/E) Church. That changed with the onset of civil registration, when after July 1837 Non Conformist Chapels, The Catholic Church and Registers Offices also became licenced to perform marriages. Possibly the priest did not have his own Church in the area but was licenced to perform marriages, and was granted permission to use the facilities of the Parish Church. (including their forms)

http://www.ukmarriages.org/after1837.htm

Cheers Kris 

[watmea]

Ellen
I know it has been some time since I posted but here I am with more information on Issacher Trudgeon's family.

After Beatrice Grace came Issacher James born on 1 October 1887 in
Armidale.  At the age of 20 he was involved in an accident with a horse and died on 28 January 1908.

Albert Henry was born in 1891 in Armidale and at the age of 13 started working in a draper store in Armidale owned by Mr Percival.  At 16 he became apprenticed to a blacksmith and almost five years later became a journeyman to Mr Saunders in Guyra.  He then moved to Port Macquarie and Bangalow (quite some distance apart).  In Bangalow he met the Newtown family of Coopers Shoot and during 1916 married Constance Floria Newtown.  Albert and Constance were cousins.   Their three sons were all born while the family lived at Alstonville where Albert had established a blacksmith and wheelwright business and then a motor garage was added to the business.  During 1915 Albert bought a blacksmith shop at Rous Mill, Bangalow and his borther Cecil Knight Trudgeon was a co-worker. In 1917 Albert sold this business and moved to Alstonville.  Albert was civic minded and he assisted in the revival of the local cricket club and formed a boy scout group is Alstonville all while running his business.  His personal interests extended to lawn bowls, playing the piano, organ and french horn and judging at flower shows.  He died at Bonalbo in November 1982 and his obituary was published in the local press.

Clarinda Emily was born on 2 January 1890 in Armidale but died on 11 January 1891.

Cecil Knight was born in 1893 in Armidale.  Events of his early life remain unknown until he started working with his brother in 1915.  He then joined the Army to serve in World War 1.  When he returned from France after being discharged early because of a medical condition (French fever) he recommenced work with Albert.  He married Dora Everingham and had a daughter.  Cecil died some time during 1925.

Alma Eva was born on 2 September 1898 and when she was about 17 or 18 worked with Isabella in a tea shop and general store in Armidale.  She married Harold Williams a local carpenter who developed a lung complaint and died soon after being married.  Alma married Frederick Cresswell  also a carpenter some years later and moved to Cessnock. He was a carpenter in one of the coal mines at Cessnock and became a respected union delegate.  Alma died in a Cessnock nursing home on 3 September 1990.

Alfred Norman was born in 1903 in Armidale.  He was employed as a carpenter at one of Cessnock's coal mines as well.  He married Pearl Elwood at Cessnock and they had four children.

Raymond George was born during 1904 in Armidale and for some time was employed by the New South Wales State Railway as a guard on the run between Armidale and Werris Creek.  He married Rene Bolton - they had no children.  Ray was promoted to Sydney and lived in Neutral Bay until he died in 1979.

Warm regards
Carolyn

[mcconnell922]

Hi Carolyn
Thanks for all that info.  It will give me some work to do to get all that onto the family tree.  It is a labour of love for my grandsons as our daughter has recently split up with her Trudgian husband.  I still have an academic interest in the family though and want the boys to have a sense of their family.

Many thanks again and best wishes, Ellen

[clarkew]

Carolyn & Ellen,

F.Y.I.;
I recently discovered that Issachar appears to have been born during 1854. 

Per St. Cath's Index an "Issachar Trugen" birth was registered during the June Quarter, 1854 in the Bodmin Registration District, Cornwall.  Luxulyan is located about 12km/7.5miles south of Bodmin, so in consideration of repeat Census references to Issachar being b. in Luxulyan, it is reasonable to assume that Luxulyan was located within the Bodmin Registration District.

In due course we must check the Passenger List for the "Earl Derby" - inwards shipping to Brisbane on 20 June, 1879 after 3 months at sea, departed London 15 March, 1879 - per Brisbane Courier, 21 June, 1879. 

Regards,

Clarke.

[Elliebob]

Hi Clarke,   Welcome to Rootschat.

I can confirm that Luxulyan was in the Bodmin registration district.  Latterly it has been in the St Austell district and now the whole of Cornwall is one district.  Not good news for future family historians! 

I live about 2 miles from Luxulyan.

Thanks for your help.  Best wishes
Ellen

[clarkew]

Hi Carolyn,

My records have "Constance Floria NEWTON" rather than "Constance Floria NEWTOWN." Possibly just a typo' in one or the other, could you please check your records and let me/us know?

Regards,

Clarke.

[watmea]

Hi Clarke
Yes got your final message.  I am on my L plates as well!!!!  Will check this out and get back to you.  I got this information from my father whose maternal relations are Trudgeons.  It could quite possibly be a misspelling. Will let you know what I find out anyway.
Cheers
Carolyn

[ntmike]

Hi, This thread is old but I am also a descendant of William Palmer from Armidale. Be interested in making contact. Cheers,

Michael O'Neill