Death at Stirling District Asylum 1887

[angusg]

Hi,
   My request is for any information regarding David ROBERTSON
who was a Gardiner at Stirling District Asylum in 1869
when he married Ann KEAR in St Cyrus.

1871 Census show the family at the Asylum he is 28 and Farm Overseer
they have a daur Jane age 8 months.

He was also lateter ast The Royal Chrichton Asylum in Dumfries
before going to New Zealands Peiora Aslyum. Died 1926.

Does this nudge anyones memories
Angus G

[cah3269]

I have a Matilda Smith who was living at the asylum in 1901. She was the youngest female listed on the 1901 census at the asylum, she was 19 years old. In 1911 she was back at home with her family but had no occupation which was odd for a 29 year old (the family was not wealthy).

Her parents were Matilda Madden and Patrick Smith and the family was from Dumbarton. Her parents both passed away before 1920 so I'm wondering what happened to Matilda. She had 8 siblings (Agnes, John, Elizabeth, Patrick, Edward, Bridget, Mary Ann and Margaret) but at least 4 of them immigrated to the US (the last four listed).

Scotlandspeople did not turn up a death record for Matilda Smith which is strange. She was born 1 Dec 1881 in Dumbarton.

Any ideas?

[angusg]

Since posting  the nudge to memory for David Robertson the Gardiner & farm Overseer,

I found that at 1891 Census he was at The Daviot Branch Asylum near Inverurue
Aberdeenshire.

He is listed as Stewaer in charge, his wife Ann as Matron
Daur Jane Helen al Lunatie or Attendant dau Ann as Housemaid
Daur Agnes as Sewing Maid both Domestic
and sons david W , John K and Arthur Wm as Scholars.
David was listed as employer Ann as employee but none of the daughters show as employed.

 cah3269 good luck in your hunting

[cah3269]

I've since found a death record for Matilda- she died in 1969 in Larbert, Stirlingshire. Naturally this makes me think maybe she was at Bellsdyke... since its so recent I can't view it on scotlandspeople. Hmm!

[bitcon]

Is there any info about a Martha Nithsdale Forsyth  Bitcon born in 1827 and died in Larbert in 1902, she was from Dunbarton. Martha is my GGG GrandMother.



Lynn

[kathieclark]

My GG Grandfather died of TB at Larbert in 1915, aged 38.

His young son had been killed some time before in an accident for which he blamed  himself, so by today's standards he probably would have been clinically depressed... he was still at home in 1911 so would have been admitted some time after that.  He lived in Clyde Bank.

If anyone has access to asylum records I would be very interested in learning more...

Kathie

[Reeny999]

Hi DDJJake, Thank you for taking the trouble to send that. Yes, I  do have it.  I have John Robertson's birth cert thank you.  His parents did marry and had another son Peter but he may have died before the age of five. The father, james Robertson also died in his early 20's from acute meningitis. They lived in the slum area of Glasgow, Crown Street, and he died at Glasgow Infirmary. His child john Robertson became the local Postman  back in Stirling.

Re: Mary McIsaac snr. wife of William McIsaac, Master tailor. I have all the B/M/D's for the family and she was the daughter of James buchanan, a master shoemaker and Catherine McLean who's father was Angus McLean of Bute. I actually have many records from the poor law register for the family prior to this generation.  After 30 years of doing this , I lose track on how many documents I have accumulated!

The only enigma seems to have been Mary McIsaac jnr, the one who ended up in the asylum. I have many records about her, but when I saw the post by "Cruden Bay Boy", I thought I might be able to find some additional info, but I have had no luck in contacting him. I thought the records might shed some light on her life. I do have many detailed records from the asylum and poorhouse, and of course the census and BMD's but early census do not indicate she was insane or had any affliction, so I just wanted to find out more. Her father took her to the asylum when she was only 23. He stated that none of the family were ever insane and that she had had three previous bouts from which she had recovered.  He said he thought the cause was "Intemperance and Immorality"! which doesn't sound very good. I wondered if she may have ahd a child. but have found no evidence of that. After she left her family in Gargunnock, and before entering the asylum, I found a Mary McIsaac in the employment of a Surgeon in Perth, which may have been her as some asylum records say that she said she was a Domestic Servant.  She was once arrested in Glasgow "acting insanely" and I think she may have been trying to find her siblings. Both her brothers attended Glasgow Free Church seminary and her sisters Catherine Robertson and Jane Walker both lived there. It would have been quite a way to get there from Gargunnock in her mental condition. Some census details mention that her sister Jane's husband William Walker was blind.  I can't think why Mary would use the alias of Walker when that was actually her sisters married name.  Maybe it was just the first thing that popped into her head.  Unless I can locate the Cruden Bay Boy guy who said he had some records, I think I may have found out all I a going to.  I should think myself lucky I have all her medical records etc from the Asylums, but we always want more don't we?!  Thank you very much for sending the info  .
Kind Regards
Sheila

Hi Sheila,
Completely new to this forum so apologies if I don't have this right yet.
I'm joining the McIsaac fun in my family tree and wondered where you managed to get the info about Angus McLean being Catherine's father. I'm using Scotland's people and I'm a little stuck with them. Also, no mention of Catherine's mother?? It's tricky in the Islands I find.
Many thanks
Reeny999