Kazza. Thank you for reply. Been trying for ages to locate marriage record for William and Ellen Iliffe, found on 1851 census at 57 Shude Hill Manchester. Their daughter Eliza Ann was christened at Manchester Cathedral in 1832 but the certif. doesn't give mothers maiden name. Believe its Townsend, as Elizabeth Townsend was staying with them on the 1841 census 67 years b. Edinburgh and Ellen too was born Edinburgh, though I've not found them on any Scottish records. William was born in Cleckheaton. Yorks. so where the marriage took place is debatable, but I guessits Manchester. Don't know where to go from here.