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Re: Inverchaolain - name changes Brown
« Reply #99 on: Monday 29 May 23 16:53 BST (UK) »
David again,

I, too, would be interested in hearing more about possible name changes between McKilmichal and Brown.  My 4 x great grandmother Janet McKellar was from Loch Striven and her brother Duncan McKellar married a Margaret Brown in 1784 who is hard to find in earlier documents.  Your suggestion might explain that.

Katie

I am new to Roots chat so bear with me if  I've got it wrong. The Duncan McKellar married to Margaret brown in 1784 is, I think,my 4 x great grandfather. I have reached a block in finding his  parents names to allow me to research a bit further back. I would be grateful for any help.

Also Janet the daughter of  Duncan McKellar and Margaret Brown is said to have  6 siblings. I believe  Archibald McKellar who married Isobel McNicol in 1809 my 3x great grandad, is her brother but cannot  find a birth record. Does anyone have any information re his birth circa.1790

Neil McKellar


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Re: inverchaolin
« Reply #100 on: Monday 29 May 23 22:05 BST (UK) »
Hi Neil

Welcome to RootsChat  :)

Is this Archibald's death reg?

ARCHIBALD MCKELLAR
Age 75
Mother's maiden name BROWN
1862
557 / 1
North Bute

If so, this would let you confirm his parents' names.

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Re: inverchaolin
« Reply #101 on: Monday 29 May 23 22:15 BST (UK) »
There are certainly gaps in the OPRs for the births of children to Duncan McKellar and Margaret Brown:

1785 - Mary
1791 - Jannet
1796 - Sarah
1798 - Margaret
1800 - Elspa
1804 - Duncan

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Re: inverchaolin
« Reply #102 on: Tuesday 30 May 23 09:50 BST (UK) »
Thank you Monica
Yes I think that is Archibald's death certificate and would put his birth in 1787. If his age is correct he would have been born between the two sisters Mary and Janet.
Thanks for your help.

My next challenge is finding the parents of Archibald's father Duncan McKellar married to Margaret Brown in 1784👍


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Re: inverchaolin Glenstriven House
« Reply #103 on: Tuesday 06 June 23 22:17 BST (UK) »
Hello, I am trying to find out who commissioned Glenstriven House. I have found lots of information but it is not consistent, Some says it was the Berry family and some a Douglas Cameron. Any pointers from you experts much appreciated.
Kind regards, Tora

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Re: inverchaolin
« Reply #104 on: Wednesday 07 June 23 23:05 BST (UK) »
Hi Tora

Welcome to RootsChat  :)

Not seeing anything for a Douglas Cameron connected to Glenstriven House so far.

Some notes here from 1858:

OS1/2/58/93   GLENSTRIVEN   
Glenstriven House   

Revd. [Reverend] Mr McTavish James Clark D.G. Kennedy Esqre. Propr. [Proprietor]   

A fine Mansion-house, with offices and garden &c adjacent. The name of this place was formerly Gortenloist, but since the present proprietor, Mr Kennedy, puchased the estate from Sir J. Fife, it has become very well known by the name Glenstriven


https://scotlandsplaces.gov.uk/digital-volumes/ordnance-survey-name-books/argyll-os-name-books-1868-1878/argyll-volume-58?display=transcription

The 1861 census for the address shows:

Duncan C Kennedy 42 Head Landed Proprietor b. Kilmonivaig Argyll www.findagrave.com/memorial/192699375/duncan-cameron-kennedy
Jamima Kennedy 30 www.findagrave.com/memorial/192699921/jemima-kennedy
Grace C Kennedy 5
Williamina I Kennedy 2
Angusina Kennedy 1
Jane Cameron 59 Mother-in-law www.findagrave.com/memorial/193958190/jane-cameron

Address Glenstriven, Inverchaolain, Argyll

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Re: inverchaolin
« Reply #105 on: Wednesday 07 June 23 23:13 BST (UK) »
Walter Berry is showing as owner by 1872-3 https://electricscotland.com/history/Scotland_Owners_of_Lands_and_Heritages_1.pdf

Walter Berry showed in Edinburgh in all the censuses up to his death in 1905. In 1891, he showed as Consul - General for Denmark.

The index to his Will gives this info: 
   
Walter Berry
21 / 2 / 1905
   
otherwise Walter Oliphant Berry, Glenstriven, 11 Atholl Crescent, Edinburgh, d. 02/12/1904 at Edinburgh, testate.

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Re: inverchaolin
« Reply #106 on: Thursday 08 June 23 08:12 BST (UK) »
Thank you so much! I have also been going through different databases to try to find out who was the architect who designed the house. Would you have any tips regarding where to look? I havent been able to find anything so far. Thanks again for your help much appreciated.
Tora

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Re: inverchaolin
« Reply #107 on: Thursday 08 June 23 10:57 BST (UK) »
Two screenshots attached, from the First and Second editions of the six-inch Ordnance Survey map. You can see that the footrpint of the house is similar in both.

The First Edition was surveyed in 1865.

So it would appear that the house was built before 1865.

However it's not as simple as it would appear.

The valuation rolls for Inverchaolin do not list Glenstriven until 1895, when the proprietor was Walter Berry. Before this, he is listed as proprietor of Inveravigan (which is almost certainly the Invervegain of the maps) and of Woodlands in 1875 and 1885. He is not listed in 1865.

Inveravigan/Invervegain isn't listed in 1865, but a Col Duncan Campbell (not Cameron) is listed as a proprietor of Woodlands, and Patrick James is also listed as a proprietor of Woodlands.

You would need to get access to the Abridgments of Sasines to find out exactly what property was sold when and by whom to whom. These are not available online so you would need to get someone who is going to the National Records of Scotland or a library that holds copies of the Abridgments to search them for you.

But it looks to me as if Glenstriven House must have been built before Kennedy sold it to Berry.
Never trust anything you find online (especially submitted trees and transcriptions on Ancestry, MyHeritage, FindMyPast and other commercial web sites) unless it's an image of an original document - and even then be wary because errors can and do occur.