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Re: piece numbers for Swan's yard Milton.1841
« Reply #9 on: Thursday 19 April 07 18:40 BST (UK) »
and not even mis-transed  ;)

think that lass must be Matilda .....

Births Jun 1849 
 
TAW  Matilda Emma    Poplar  V2 P361


its 1841 thats the challenge - wonder if Mum popped back to Kent for the 1843 and later births ?
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Re: piece numbers for Swan's yard Milton.1841
« Reply #10 on: Thursday 19 April 07 19:00 BST (UK) »
Hi , Newfy ,

Thanks again ...I have Matilda Emma's birth cert ...they were then living in William St Poplar...but as I said before it's the parents whom I can't pin down.....I'm beginning to wonder if they left London...even so , I still cant find them anywhere..

Someone did tell me that some records were lost during ww2 and I'm beginning to think that maybe theirs were amongst them.....dont know how true it is ...

As for the mother popping back to Kent for the 1843 birth ..could be....because she is in 2 places on the 51 ..in London with the kids and in Kent with her mother and bros and sisters...how she managed that I'm not sure ...

   a puzzler....   Joyce...

                             

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Re: piece numbers for Swan's yard Milton.1841
« Reply #11 on: Thursday 19 April 07 19:06 BST (UK) »
you're eking out the clues here Joyce !  :D

No census records were destroyed WW2 as far as I know - but some were 'lost' way back when, and others have their own problems ....  The National Archives can be searched for PIECE numbers related to places - it usually says if records dont exist.... also Ancestry lists known incomplete or missing PIECES ....
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Re: piece numbers for Swan's yard Milton.1841
« Reply #12 on: Thursday 19 April 07 19:41 BST (UK) »
Have you seen this?

The Times, Thursday, Jun 09, 1864; pg. 13; Issue 24894; col D

"Middlesex Sessions, June 8."

"Matilda Taw, 48, and Matilda Taw, 14, mother and daughter, were charged with stealing a frock and a pair of boots from the person of Ellen Aubrey, aged four years, and a jacket, from the person of an infant.
    For some time past a great number of robberies of children have been reported in the neighbourhood of Poplar, and the police have been informed that they were committed by a young girl. In many instances the children whose clothes have been taken from them in the streets have been too young to identify the thief ; but in this case Ellen Aubrey, an intelligent little girl, pointed out the younger prisoner as the person who had taken the articles charged in the indictment from herself and infant brother, when they were on their way to school on the morning of the 18th of May. It was proved that the younger sold the boots and frock to a Mrs. Segar, and said her mother had them from a captain's lady, who owed her some money. They were worn by Mrs. Segar's child, and Mr. Aubrey recognized them as the chothes of which his little girl had been deprived. The older prisoner told the police a different story - viz. that an actress at the Effingham Saloon and a singer at the Borough Music-hall, whose name was Fenton, had given them to her ; but inquiries had failed to discover any such person as Mrs. Fenton.
   The jury found a verdict of Guilty.
   The elder prisoner was sentenced to be imprisoned for 12 months, and the younger prisoner was sentenced to be imprisoned for two months and then to be kept for three years in a reformatory.
   It was stated that since the apprehension of the prisoners no more of such robberies have been reported."

So...Matilda senior was still alive in June 1864 when she was sent to prison.

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Re: piece numbers for Swan's yard Milton.1841
« Reply #13 on: Thursday 19 April 07 19:55 BST (UK) »
Brilliant Dave - never ceases to amaze me whats out there waiting to be found !
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Re: piece numbers for Swan's yard Milton.1841
« Reply #14 on: Thursday 19 April 07 20:13 BST (UK) »
Hi Joyce

Swan Yard is still there....well, minus the houses of course :) It now has a large Medical Centre.

I have seen a few Taws, while I trawled through the Ark.

Best wishes..... Iris :)
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Re: piece numbers for Swan's yard Milton.1841
« Reply #15 on: Thursday 19 April 07 21:00 BST (UK) »
Me again....

Sorry. I should have mentioned, Swan Yard is between Queens Street and the High Street in Gravesend.  It really is/was no more than an alley way.

Iris..... :)
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Re: piece numbers for Swan's yard Milton.1841
« Reply #16 on: Friday 20 April 07 08:24 BST (UK) »
Hi to Newfy , Dave and Iris ,

What a result !!!!    Wow....am so amazed !! As Newfy said..  " amazing what's waiting to be found "

One year in clink for the old girl ..a few months for the younger plus 3 years reformatory ....I never imagined something like that ...

Is it still possible to access the Times Archives ?? I could a couple of years ago but forgotten how...

Iris , on the 41 there are quite a number of families living in Swans Yard...you have seen it ...have you any idea of what the layout might have been ..quite cramped , do you think ??

Am just trying to picture it....I understand that it might have been a pub yard... I found a ref to a Swan pub in Pigotts for 1820s ..wondered if it was the same one ..

Anyway , thanks to all for your help...much appreciated..

                             Joyce..

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Re: piece numbers for Swan's yard Milton.1841
« Reply #17 on: Friday 20 April 07 10:58 BST (UK) »
Hi Joyce

Yes, there was a pub called the Swan there.

I think Swan Yard would have been cramped, as with all the alleys and yards.
Walking through Swan yard alley way, is just comfortable side by side with someone....it is quite narrow. It now leads out to the Medical Centre , car park and the back of the Market.

Try posting on
www.ghs.org.uk  it is a free site. Someone on there may be able to give you more info than me :)

Best wishes....Iris :)
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Spunner Kent
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Pidwell Kent/Essex
Ludlow Kent
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