Lewis/Bowcott family

[davidjkrichards]

Hi Oliviv,

yes, thank you, We are still looking so all information still welcome.

Hope you are well

Dave

[Mev]

Hi Oliviv

Thanks for the info on James. I have been looking through the registers and have found the following -
Mary daughter of James Bowlcott baptised 20 Apr 1783 Merthyr Cynog
Margaret daughter of James Bowlcott baptised 28 Jan 1785 Merthyr Cynog
James son of James Bowcott & Joan baptised 22 Feb 1789 Merthyr Cynog
Joan daughter of James Bowcott & Joan baptised 20 Jul 1792 Merthyr Cynog
Elinor daughter of James Bowcott & Joan baptised 17 Aug 1795 Merthyr Cynog
Ann daugher of James Bowcott & Joan baptised 27 Feb 1799 Llandefailogfach
Rees son of James Bowcott & Joan baptised 1 Jan 1805 Llandefailogfach
9 Jan 1811 Joan wife of James Bowcott labourer buried Llandefailogfach

As Bowcott is such an unusual name in Breconshire I am sure that James must be related somehow but I haven't found a baptism record for him as yet.
If I can impose on you again I wonder if you could check if any of the following appear on your tree.
As Richard Bulcot who died 1757 mentions John Prichard in his will on several occasions I have been looking at him. I have found a marriage between a Mary Bowcot & John Prichard in Llandefailogfach on 7 May 1741 and I am thinking that maybe Mary Bowcot was Richard Bulcot's daughter. There is also a baptism record for a Thomas son of Richard Bulcot on 16 Jan 1717 in Llandefailogfach and a Joan daughter of Richard Bowcott 3 Jun 1733 in Llandefailogfach and a Richard son of Richard Bowcot on 6 Mar 1736 again in Llandefailogfach.  There is also a marriage of a Richard Bowcott to Gwenllian Powell on 5 Nov 1732 in Llandefailogfach.  Any information you can supply or confirm would be most helpful.
I was hoping to have been able to check the M.I's at Llandrindod for Merthyr Cynog & Llandefailogfach as quite often you can gain a lot of information from them but unfortunately they didn't have any.
best wishes
Mev

[oliviv]

Hello Mev
My apologis for not replying earlier and unfortunately I am unable to find any reference to a 'John Pritchard and Mary Bowcott on the family tree.
I have a copy of the M.I's for Llandefaelog but the only reference I can find (on the last line)
Lying loose in the Penoyre vault area =
John Bowcott and his wife Elizabeth. He died Feb. 6. 1795

I have checked the M.I's for John and Mary Pritchard but no luck

I also have the M I's for Merthyr Cynog church but I think I have already given the details namely - Richard Bowcott Late of Llwynrhydill died Mar. 13 1861 agd 69 years; Also Amelia relict died May 21. 1867 Aged 67
Thomas son of Richard Bowcott died Sept. 18. 1828 aged 2 months Also Howell died April 15 1836 aged 9 years and 5 months

Sorry for the lack of info

Best Wishes
Oliviv

[Mev]

Hi Oliviv

Thank you for all your help. I am presuming then that my William Bowcott isn't recorded on either Merthyr Cynog or Llandefailog MI's. I will have to try searching Gwenddwr churchyard again although I didn't find a burial in the register for him. Would you be able to check for a John Jones born c1781 and died after 1851 census and his wife Margaret born c1780 died after 1851 census. John was a blacksmith at Tynewid? Merthyr Cynog and was my GGGG Grandfather.

Mev

[oliviv]

Hello again Mev

A bit more luck this time - There is a John Jones, Blacksmith aged 70 living At Tynewydd on the 1951 census for Merthyr Cynog Parish with his wife Margaret aged 71. Both were born in Llanfihangel Fechan and with them was their unmarried daughter Mary aged 28 also born in Llanfihangel Fechan (Lower Chapel). John and Margaret were still living there in 1861 (ages look like 80 and 79).
Guess what - at the next house about 300 yards away who is living there but Richard Bowcott aged 59 farmer of 18 acres who was born in Alltmawr with his wife Amelia aged 50 who was born in the Parish of Llywell (Brecs) with their grand daughter Joan aged 3  who was born in Lampeter Cards. This Richard and Amelia previously lived at Llwynrhydill the next farm towards Builth. I think I have already told you that they were buried at M.C. with dates. A bit more info to confuse things I see there is a Thomas Bowcott of Brynhilyn who died May 17 1833 aged 68 years buried at Ebenezer Chapel Upper Chapel.
An explanation about Tynewydd - (built circa 1840 - Tynewydd means 'New House') although it is in the Parish of Merthyr Cynog it is situated in the Upper Chapel area on the B4520 (Brecon / Builth Road) about 100 yards on the right after the B4519 branches off to the left.
It is in the Duffryn Honddu Upper Ward of Merthyr Cynog. It is now called Rose Cottage with a little bit of history, gossip and utter nonsense attached to it. The locals are convinced that Salmon Rushdie had his hideout in the cottage in the 1980's.
Something for you to mull over
Best Wishes
Oliviv
 

[Mev]

Hi Oliviv

Thank you for the info for 1861 census I had not found John on it but that was because it had been mistranscribed as Age 30. I had both John & Margaret as born in Llanfihangel Bryn Pabuan (I think 1851 census says Llanfihangel Pohn) and they were married there too 3 Jun 1803. Possibly they are buried there.
The Thomas Bowcott buried 1833 was the brother of my William (I have a copy of his will).

Where is Llandefailogfach? Is it close to Upper Chapel? There are a lot of Bowcotts in the PR's for Llanefailogfach. Does a Richard Bowcott in your tree marry a Gwenllian Powell in 1732 and have a daughter Joan in 1733 and a son Richard in 1736?
Mev

[oliviv]

Hello Again Mev

1st a geography lesson - Llandefaelog Fach is about 3 miles north of Brecon on the B4520 Road - on the same road as Upper Chapel. 2ndly The parish of Llanfihangel Fechan (known locally as Lower Chapel) was originally a part of the Parish of Llandefaelog Fach.
The copy of the 1851 census that I have clearly states that John Jones and his wife Margaret were born in Llanfihangel Fechan so I think Llanfihangel Brynpabuan is misleading. Tynewydd cottage was built on a field belonging to Richard Bowcott of Brynhillyn.
One of the Richard Bowcotts on the family tree(son of John) made a will in Dec. 1810 proven 22nd Feb.1812 mentions marriage settlement with first wife Mary Jones dated 30th June 1762 then Merthyr Cynog 8 December 1772 Richard Bowcott widower married Gwenllian Morgans - I  can't see a Gwenllian Powell.
Best Wishes
Oliviv

[Mev]

Hi Oliviv

Thanks for the explanations it is most helpful. 
I spent a day at Llandrindod looking at Merthyr Cynog & Llandefailogfach P.R's trying to find the correct ones for my tree but although I found plenty of Bowcotts and various other spellings very few matched my tree. It is probably easiest if I give you a list of all the records I did find if you could check to see if any are in your tree if you wouldn't mind.
best wishes
Mev

[oliviv]

Hello again

I am not promising anything but I am willing to give it a go
it may be less daunting if you start off with a selected list to begin with

Best Wishes

Oliviv