Pearce family

[stevenson]

thank you Valda

think I will send off for more children details ,to see if that might help

Regards Steve

[stevenson]

Valda

Just to let you know...got the certs today......and THAT WAS THEM IN 1901....Fred was a Shepperd.....

Frederick Charles Pearce and Edith Jane Pearce formerly Hatton but some certs have E.Jane Pearce...... so ..Now.....think I need to order that marriage in 1898.

and its so funny that Cyril was actually a Shadrick....that will make Gilbert smile today when he sees the certs.

As for Edward ......think I need to see if he died young, thats why nobody remembers him.(or his birth name is something completely different) and yes, does look like he was born before they married, but they did take in an orphan from their immediate family in the early 1900's... so  perhaps Edward belonged to someone else too.

Thank you for your help .

Anything else for this family would be most greatfully received...really like to find Edith (WHO SHE REMARRIED  AND WHERE SHE IS BURIED)
A.S.P

Steve

[Valda]

This was the only Pearce I could find born Briantspuddle at about the right time. Interestingly he had a Shadrack connection.

1881 census RG10 2102 folio 6
Throop Cottage Tonerspuddle Dorset   
Shadrack Hardy 53 Bradford, Dorset, Head Married Farm Labourer
Mary Hardy 39 Puddletown, Dorset, Wife Married
Thomas Hardy 24 Bere Regis, Dorset, Son Farm Labourer
James Pearce 11 Briantspuddle, Dorset, Wife's son
Jane Hardy 1 Throop, Dorset, Daughter 
Willoughby Hardy 2 mths Throop, Dorset, Son

1871 census RG10 1997 folio ?
Affpuddle  Dorset   
Thomas Pearce 51 Puddletown, Dorset, Head  Married Ag lab
Elizabeth Pearce 50 Athelhampton, Dorset, Wife Married
Sarah Pearce 23 Bryantspuddle, Dorset, Daughter 
Frederic Prance 15 Bryantspuddle, Dorset,  Son 
Ellen Pearce 10 Osmaston, Dorset, Daughter 
Alice Pearce 6 Athelhampton, Dorset,  Daughter 
James Mitchell Pearce 1 Bryantspuddle, Dorset, Grandson 
next door to the Mitchell family

Following James Mitchell Pearce led me to Frederick C Maidens.

1881 census RG11 2102 folio 21
Affpuddle  Dorset 
Thomas Pearce 65 Puddletown, Dorset, Head  Widower Ag lab
Alice Pearce  17 Athelhampton, Dorset,  Daughter 
Frederick C. Maidens 8 East Indies Grandson

There may be some doubt where Frederick was staying the night of the 1881 census.

1881 census RG11 2143 folio 176
Royal Artillery Barracks Exeter Heavitree  Devon
Charles Maidens  37 Boston, Lincoln,  Head Married Gunner R H A
Emma Maidens  36 Puddletown, Dorset,  Wife Married
Fredrick Maidens  8 India Son
Anna L. Maidens 8 India Daughter   
Florence? Maidens  6 Woolwich, Kent,  Daughter
Thomas Maidens 5 Dublin, Ireland Son
Edward Maidens  4 Dublin, Ireland Son 
Arthur Maidens  2 Newbridge Kildare, Ireland Son 
Elizabeth Maidens  1 Newbridge Kildare, Ireland Daughter 

Marriages Dec 1870   
MAIDENS  Charles    Wareham  5a 629   
Pearce  Emma Jane     Wareham  5a 629

Frederick was not with his parents in Aldershot on the 1891 census and he was no longer using the Maidens surname.

1891 census RG12 1654 folio 22
Parsonage House Dewlish  Dorset
Fredrick Pearce  18 East Indies Lodger  Shepherd

Frederick's birth registration will be in the overseas military section of the GRO index. It can be found on the web but only on a pay by view website.

http://www.findmypast.com/HomeServlet


To find what happened to Edith you at least need to know her second married name. I would trawl first through the GRO death indexes looking for the possible death of Frederick C. Pearce. It doesn't yet appear to be indexed on FreeBMD.
You can search the GRO index quarter by quarter here.

http://www.ancestry.co.uk/search/rectype/vital/freebmd/bmd.aspx

This shows you which quarters have been fully indexed by FreeBMD

http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/progress.shtml

Once you have found a possible or possibles within the time frame you think he died, you have an area/county to begin to search for Edith's marriage. That will help narrow down whether she married as Edith J etc. (after 1911 the second name is only shown by an initial in the GRO index) You will need her first marriage details since you need to know who her father was to be sure you have the correct second marriage. With the information from the second marriage it will probably be a long haul through the death indexes to find her death. You just have to hope her second husband did not have a common surname and a fairly unusual first name, because tracking him might also help find Edith.

Regards

Valda

[stevenson]

Valda..you are a star...thank you so much

I will look through this lot later...To piece together everything.....

I have been trying to find Edith and I think I have found her under Ellen in
1891 RG12 586 43 page15.Croydon
Her Father Thomas and Mother Esther.
a marriage looks like Esther was Buckland and previous census has her as Hester.

Think that marriage cert in1898 will be posted off for now.

Think I have found Fred's death in 1915 in Hertfordshire and not one living relative knows Edith's name on her remarriage

Thank you

Steve

[Valda]

I think you need the marriage details which give father's information to be sure which Edith/Jane Ellen M is the correct census entry for your grandmother.
Edith/Jane Ellen M was 24 on the 1901 census which if correct would give her birth year as circa 1877. The Ellen born Croydon on the 1891 census was aged 12 - birth year circa 1879.

Births Sep 1878
Hatten  Ellen     Croydon  2a 215

This Ellen may also still be in Croydon in 1901. The entry gives married, but that may be for appearances - no Hatton/Hatten marriages with an Ellen spouse between 1891 and 1901 in Croydon registration district.

RG13 645 folio 36
208 Gloster Road Croydon
Ellen Hatton 23  Croydon Head Married Laundry Maid
Richard Hatton 9 months Croydon Son

I think the Edith/Jane Ellen M's birth registration is more likely to be this one, placing Jane Ellen M's birth at an earlier date.

Births Sep 1875
Hatten  Jane Ellen M     Croydon  2a 214

The most likely candidate on the 1881 census is with this family which gives Jane a Dorset connection through her mother.

1881 census RG11 810 folio 123
Pitlake 1 Bridge Terrace Croydon  Surrey   
Charles Hatton  32 Croydon, Surrey, Lodger (Head) Married Horsekeeper
Harriett Hatton  36  ? Dorset, Wife Married   
Alice Hatton 8 Croydon, Surrey,  Daughter 
Jane Hatton 5 Croydon, Surrey, Daughter   
Joseph Hatton 3 Croydon, Surrey,  Son 
Harriett Hatton 1 Croydon, Surrey,  Daughter 

Deaths Sep 1885   
Hatton  Charles  36  Croydon  2a 126

1891 census RG12 498 folio 20
10 Albion Street St Paul Deptford  London   
George Lang 44 N Head Married Conductor
Harriet Lang 46 Dorchester Wife Married
Frederick Lang 3 Croydon, Kent, Son 
Harriett Hutton 11 Croydon, Kent,  Daughter
Joseph Hutton 13 Croydon, Kent, Son   

On the 1901 census George, Harriet and Frederick are in Lambeth.

1891 census RG12 448 folio 62
22 East Hill All Saints Wandsworth  London 
Jane Hatton 16 Croydon, Surrey, General Servant 

1871 census RG10 841 folio 17
3 Church Road Croydon
Joseph Hatton 47 Croydon, Surrey head Married Labourer
Sarah Hatton 49 Croydon, Surrey Married
Charles Hatton 23 Croydon, Surrey Son Labourer

CHARLES JOSEPH HATTIN   
Christening:  01 APR 1849   Saint John The Baptist, Croydon, Surrey
Father:  JOSEPH HATTIN 
Mother:  SARAH 

Births Dec 1848  HATTON  Charles Joseph   Croydon  4 115

You need Ellen Jane's birth certificate to confirm her mother's maiden name, but this is an interesting possibility for her parent's marriage.

Marriages Dec 1871   
Hatton  Joseph Charles     St. Geo. H. Sq.  1a 658 
either
Pearce  Harriett     St. Geo. H. Sq.  1a 658 
or
Manington  Caroline Martha     St. Geo. H. Sq.  1a 658 

A candidate for Harriet Pearce is in the near vicinity for a marriage later in the year.

1871 census RG10 29 folio 71
24 Hyde Park Gate South, Kensington  London 
Harriet Pearce  26  Dorchester, Dorset, Servant  Housemaid

I can't see a Frederick Pearce death registration in 1915 that fits in Hertfordshire or elsewhere - which one do you think it might be?

Regards

Valda

[stevenson]

Valda
Yes that all looks like it fits...I will play around today with the families and see where they lead me backwards etc.

Intresting link to the Pearce's with Harriet ,and Fred's grandfather Thomas ,seems to have spent his whole life in Puddle and he is on his own in the 1841.....so his parents not with him

Frederick's death in Hertfordshire is a "Steve" error 

Edward in the 1901 with Fred and Edith could be her son
Edward Ernest born 1897 JFM 2a 269 Croydon

will let you know what is on the marriage when I receive it.

Grateful thanks Steve

[Valda]

Steve

If Harriet 'Pearce' is the mother of Jane Ellen M, I see no immediate connection to Thomas and his daughter Emma. You would have to obtain Jane Ellen M's birth certificate to prove her mother's maiden name was Pearce.
The only baptism I can find for a Thomas Pearce is this one

PEARSE, Thomas Henry   
Christening Date:30 Nov 1817    Piddletown, Dorset
Mother:Ann PEARSE

plus potential sibling

PEARCE, Selina   
Christening Date:23 Sep 1827    Piddletown, Dorset
Mother:Ann PEARCE

1841 census HO107 285/6 folio 25 page 7
Piddletown  Dorset 
Selina Pearce 13  Dorset

A possible marriage

BURGESS, George   Age:18   
Wife:Selina PEARCE   Age:19
Marriage Date:13 Mar 1847 Corfe Castle, Dorset

Thomas' marriage entry appears to confirm he was illegitimate.

PEARCE, Thomas   
Elisabeth PAYNE      
Marriage Date:23 Oct 1842 Piddletown, Dorset
Wife's Father:John PAYNE

The most likely candidate for Ann, Thomas' mother if she were born Piddletown which is a big if with no known information about her at this point is

PEARSE, Ann   
Christening Date:28 Jan 1798   Piddletown, Dorset
Father:William PEARSE
Mother:Sarah

Ann was William and Sarah's oldest child baptised Piddletown. The other potential siblings are

PEARCE, Elizabeth   
Birth Date:15 Feb 1800   
Christening Date:16 Mar 1800    Piddletown, Dorset
Father:William PEARCE
Mother:Sarah GRIFFIN

PEARCE, James   
Birth Date:23 Nov 1802   
Christening Date:19 Dec 1802    Piddletown, Dorset
Father:William PEARCE
Mother:Sarah GRIFFIN

PEARCE, Robert   
Birth Date:7 Oct 1804   
Christening Date:1804 Piddletown, Dorset
Father:William PEARCE
Mother:Sarah GRIFFIN

PEARCE, Susannah   
Christening Date:1 Feb 1807 Piddletown, Dorset
Father:William PEARCE
Mother:Sarah

PEARCE, Charlotte   
Christening Date:23 Apr 1809   Piddletown, Dorset
Father:William PEARCE
Mother:Sarah

PEARCE, William   
Christening Date:9 Jun 1816 Piddletown, Dorset
Father:William PEARCE
Mother:Sarah

This is now a long trail with not enough collaborating records to prove it. I can see no connection with any Harriet Pearces born Dorset circa 1845 and Pearces in Piddletown.

Regards

Valda

[stevenson]

Thank you

I have been on this site you suggested...very good http://www.findmypast.com/HomeServlet
and found Frederick and Annie they were twins born in "Ahmednugger" the date being 1882 probably transcribed wrong and is 1872.

All the other children are there also ,says Florence E born Limerick

Just have to wait now for the certs now

Steve

[Valda]

The National Archives will hold Charles Maidens army record if you want to know more about that.
Their research guides. Scroll down to those on the British Army.

http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/catalogue/researchguidesindex.asp?j=1

I think it might be Ahmadnagar?

Was Gilbert aware his father was born in India?

Regards

Valda