Herbert Scott Young

[Lace34]

Evening all!

Wow, what a day lve had.
Well here goes with the update on info!

Forgive my repeating myself.

First the new stuff which l found thanks to the 'tin'

My grandad had an Aunt Ivy and Uncle Albert whom lived in Canada, Ortanio. They had built their own house (pic looked more like a mansion) over there. No record as to when they went there or why. Albert was Ethels brother so these would be Albert and Ivy Harris.

Ethels mothers maiden name was England!

Ethel and Albert Myres lived at 259 Wingfield Road Hull prior to her death in 1977.

Ethel had 2 sisters called Daisy and Beattie/Beatty.

l now have a pic of who my grandfather believes to be Robert William Young (whom he insists is his father), ln the picture his 'father' is wearing a full naval uniform and around his hat l can make out HMS Vict... (could be victory/victorious/victoria)

Ethel and Robert married approx 1919, (according to my findings this would have made Ethel 23 as she was born in 1896)

Robert and Ethel had 3 children. My grandad Herbert 01/01/1923, his older brother Robert William Young born approx 1921 (he died 31/01/1942 aged 21 lve seen the cert and his war medals now so l know the death date to be real  . Finally Bessie (NOT Elizabeth as originally mentioned) she was born approx 1925 and died when she was around 17 from T.B.  Grandad remembers Ethel being married to Albert Myers when Bessie died.

Robert snr died at sea so my grandad says

Ethel married Scott K young born 1894 who died in 1916 aged 22. lve seen Scotts medals too now and lots of postcards he sent to Robert his 'dearest beloved brother' as they wrote back and forth whilst posted in various areas not mentioned.

l also have a picture of my grandad, his brother Robert and his step brother Albert Myers Junior. 

There is a very strong resemblance between Robert jnr and Robert snr, so much so that both could be the same person. Theres writing on the back of the picture which l can not make out so knowing my luck it will be something very significant 

No prizes for seeing that most timelines just dont fit lm afraid.

l figure lm more or less back to square one.

lve spent a fortune looking at images for any hope of finding Ethel really married to Robert W Snr but it just aint happening.

l will try look a little more and make head or tail of it all in the morning as at the moment lm just too tired.

Sorry in advance for an update to add to the confusion.

Rachel.

[jillruss]

Hi Rachel,

What a lot of stuff to try to make sense of!

Can you try to scan the back of your grandad's picture and post it on Rootschat - asking for people to give their opinions as to what it says usually comes up trumps.

It looks like I was on the wrong branch of the family with my supposed Canadian connection!!

I don't see why the timeline doesn't fit? Isn't it just this Robert W Usher marriage in 1921 that doesn't fit? When you say in your last posting that Ethel and Robert married approx 1919 - where do you get this from? Does it rule out the possibility that Robert W Usher was really Robert W Young?

perhaps I'm just getting confused!

Jill

[Lace34]

Hi,
Yes it is the Robert Usher marriage that does not fit. The 1919 info regarding Robert W and Ethel was pure hearsay from my grandad.

l Spoke to my uncle (Also a Robert W Young  ) yesterday who said that he remembers when he was younger finding a whole bunch of papers in an old oxo tin, within this tin was my grandads original birth cert...no fathers name was given on the certificate which to him meant Herbert was indeed illegitimate. My Uncle also says the tiny postcards sent between Scott and Robert snr confused him as there were never any postcards found from R.W to scott, just the other way round.  Maybe Scott and R.W whoever he was were really good friends which is why Scott addressed him dear beloved brother, or as my uncle said maybe they were half brothers. Either way it is slightly confusing.

There was lots of evidence regarding Scott but none of Robert besides this one picture and l can not say for sure that it is really R.W.

lve also now been told that there was a Jack Young who was also brother to Scott and the mysterious R.W.

Jillruss, good idea regarding the pic, l also wonder if someone somewhere might know the rough time period of the uniform in the pic as lve searched out tons of info on possible ships but havent yet matched the uniforn with any of the crew members (long shot l know).

l have already uploaded the images to my own webspace as they scanned rather big which may make some of the writing a little easier to make out. Do you think the admins would mind me linking 'offsite' provided a gave l description to where the links were leading?

It is still confusing so your not alone on being bewildered!

Rach.

[Lace34]

Hello again!

Sorry to be such a pain l wasnt sure where to put the link to the pics so lve put it under photo restoration if anyone wanted to take a look.

Another update,

One thing my grandad never mentioned until yesterday, He is one of twins. His brother was 'sent away' and when my grandad tried to trace him (grandad said he was in his late 20's when he tried to find his brother) his mum Ethel told him it was none of his business!

lm still doing the 'ship' hunt and await replies from some messages lve sent.
l am also going to try trace the 'twin'.


Rach.