Dalling in Wales

[Heather Anne]

Does anyone know where 'Dobson's Shire Wales might be?  I 've found my GGG grandparents, William & Susan Dalling, listed in Nova Scotia Vital Statistics, as being from there.  He was a miner. Their son, James Dalling, (also a miner) emigrated to Canada, his wife's name was Lucy.  In turn they had a daughter Matilda (Tilly) who was my great grandmother. Trouble is there doesn't seem to be such a place as Dobsons Shire!!!!!  Denbeighshore is the closest but it seems a stretch!  I think they would have been born circa 1810-20.   Any help out there for me?
Thanks, Heather
PS. A wonderful source, Nova Scotia Vital Statistics are now available free on-line at:
https://www.novascotiagenealogy.com

Moderator comment: first attempt deleted to avoid confusion!  

[suzard]

When was James born?

I have found this family in 1841 (only William/Susan combination to be found -and they moved to Wales

Mill Style Braunton Devon

William Dalling 35 ag lab
Susan 30
William 10
Susan 8
Grace 6
James 4
Lydia 2
all b county
HO107/203/19 16 27

1851 james 13 is a servant in Devon

Parents William/Susan moved with many of their children to Swansea Glamorganshire Wales

1871
found this
East Dean Gloucestershire
James dalling 30 Collier Devon Barnstable
Lucy wofe 27
matilda 8
William 4
Sidney 2
Lucy and children b Gloucestershire Cinderford
RG10 2599 34 17

I'm sure there is not a  Dobsonshire in Wales - must be a transcription error - James could have stated he was from Devonshire -parents in Wales???
Just a guess!!!

If you think any of the info I have given is relevant to your family , I have further census information -plus some marriages

Suz

[Heather Anne]

Hi Suz
Thanks for the help!  I'm delighted that there's a Welsh connection in my family...I've only been once but I really loved it!  I'm thinking William's birthdate would have been circa 1810-1820.....so I guess that might be too early.....but I'm looking at your info on James Dalling, and I think there may be something there...my gg grandfather James Dalling was born circa 1843 somewhere in England.  He emigrated to Nova Scotia with his wife Lucy and their children, one of whom was my great grandmother Matilda (Tilly), born in in England  in 1864!!! ..Sadly James  was kiled in a mining accident at age 38 at the Albion Mines in Westville NS.  The death certificate states rather grimly, 'death due to suffocation in mining accident'.  My gg grandmother remarried and had other children, so I treasure this rather tenuous link to this long dead miner....What do you think?  I'll try to get more info !
Thanks again Suz
Heather

[casalguidi]

Suz's findings .......................

1871
found this
East Dean Gloucestershire
James dalling 30 Collier Devon Barnstable
Lucy wofe 27
matilda 8
William 4
Sidney 2
Lucy and children b Gloucestershire Cinderford
RG10 2599 34 17

Looks good to me

Casalguidi

[suzard]

Hello Heather,

Ages on 1841 census are rounded down 5 years (in adults) -and as you will see in the following census, they were not very consistent with ages!

I can't find james in 1861, I did find a james of abt correct age who was an apprentice blacksmith, but he appears on later census with wife Elizabeth.

It is up to you to decide, but i think William/Susan are most probably James parents -they are the only William/Susan combination to be found in England or Wales!

here they are on other census

1851 (transcribed as-and image written as Dallyn)
Mill Stile
Braunton
Devon
William dallyn head 48 Devon Chittlehampton
Susan wife 46
William son Cordwainer app
Susan daughter 18 Milliner
Grace daughter 16 Scholar at home
Lydia daughter 12     ditto
Martha daughter 10  ditto
Thomas son 8            ditto
Rachael daughter 4
John son 2
Susan and children b. Braunton Devon
HO107 1893 273 40

1861
Sloane St
Swansea
Glamorgan
Wales
William Dalling head 52 labourer  Chittlehampton Devon
Susan wife 50
Lydia daughter 21 House Servant
Martha daughter 19 House Servant
Rachael daughter 14
John son 12
Robert son 10
William henney lodger 24 gen lab Devon
Stephen fall??? lodger 30 lab at patent fact Ireland Cork
Susan and all children b. Braunton Devon
RG9 4102 43 33

1871
21 Sloane St
Swansea
Thomas Smith head 26 Callwall hereford
Martha Smith wife 35 Braunton Devon
Thomas Smith son 1 Swansea
Mary Smith 4 Swansea
William Dalling lodger M 58 labourer Devon tavistock
Susan Dalling  wife Braunton Devon
Robert Dalling 19 U son labourer Braunton Devon
William Sugate boarder U 19 lab Northampton
RG10 5451 45 40
(looks like William/ Susan were lodging with daughter martha)

looks like son Robert died a young man
Birth freeBMD
Robert Dalling
Jun qtr 1851
Barnstable dist
Devon
10 42
death
Robert dalling
Dec qtr 1879
age 28
Swansea
11a 388

death
Susan Dalling
Sept qtr 1875
age 61

Suz

[osprey]

there's a James Dallin aged 21 b. Devon iron miner in Bilton/Bilson Green, East Dean, Glos who seems to fit your man RG9/1755 folio 6 pg 2.
Matilda's birth reg dec qtr 1862 Westbury On Severn vol 6 pg 201
Can't see a marriage for James to Lucy on FreeBmd though.
 

[Rachel Bowen]

I would think that the 'shire' has got to be Denbighshire, sometimes written as Denbyshire (not often) and in Welsh as Syr Ddynbych - The initial consonants for Welsh nouns 'mutate' i.e. they change their sound and consequently their spelling depending on the preceding word.
Rachel