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Pope - 1841/1851 Lookup Request pls!
« on: Monday 29 November 04 18:33 GMT (UK) »
Hello all,
Please could somebody kindly do a lookup for me - I'm a bit stuck with my Popes of Sussex!  ???
I'm looking for a Samuel Pope and his wife Charlotte, who I believe to be in either Ewhurst (where they married in 1810, their first son, Sivyer, was born there in 1811), or Burwash (where their second son, Collin(s), was married in 1845, age 27).  Unfortunately I don't have much more information to go on, other than Samuel was originally from Kent (Faversham) and he was a weaver.
Any help you could offer would be very much appreciated.  I know the information I have is rather sketchy, so if this is too much of a tall order please do let me know!
many thanks
Karen Pope
Sussex: Ewhurst, Burwash, Hurst Green
Kent: Maidstone
Surrey: Croydon, Norwood
Scotland: South Leith, Edinburgh

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Re: Pope - 1841/1851 Lookup Request pls!
« Reply #1 on: Saturday 04 December 04 09:14 GMT (UK) »
Hi Karen

I have the 1851 census transcription for Ewhurst but there are no Popes listed.  I also looked in the 1851 census for Hastings but again  nothing.  There is a John Pope (b. Eastbourne) and his family living at Litlington in 1851 but no Samuel.  I don't have the 1851 census for Burwash.

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Roger
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Re: Pope - 1841/1851 Lookup Request pls!
« Reply #2 on: Saturday 04 December 04 09:38 GMT (UK) »
Hi Karen,
Do you have any connections with Pope's in Dorking?  Latter half of the 1800s?
Jane
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Re: Pope - 1841/1851 Lookup Request pls!
« Reply #3 on: Sunday 05 December 04 13:39 GMT (UK) »
Hi Roger,
Many thanks for looking!  I think I'll never be able to trace the elusive Samuel Pope... sometimes I wish that my ancestors were richer, then tracing them would be a lot easier!

Jane: indeed I do have ancestors in Dorking, these are in the line of Popes descended from Collin (mentioned in my earlier e-mail).  Names so far are: Ellen (b. 1879), James Thomas (1880), George (1882), Mary Ann (1884), Robert (1886), Alfred (1888), Ethel (1889), Susan (1891), and William John (1893).  They were all born in Tunbridge Wells, but I believe moved to Dorking (many of them were married in Dorking, and also had children born there).

Hope this has proved useful - and thanks again,

Karen Pope
Sussex: Ewhurst, Burwash, Hurst Green
Kent: Maidstone
Surrey: Croydon, Norwood
Scotland: South Leith, Edinburgh


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Re: Pope - 1841/1851 Lookup Request pls!
« Reply #4 on: Sunday 05 December 04 14:50 GMT (UK) »
Hi Karen,
Below is a query from 2002 on Rootsweb concerning Alice Ellen Pope.  I had become interested in it as the father of Alice was a William BRAVERY, the name I am researching, although he & Alice's mother were never married.
I found that Alice, aged 8, sailed from London on 14/3/1914 aboard the SS Scillian, arriving at Peterborough, Ontario 29 March 1914.
Such a sad story, but an interesting one and it looks as if they might be the family you mention!
Jane







Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 18:16:55 -0700
From:  "marleneh" <marleneh@connected.bc.ca>
To: BRITISHHOMECHILDREN-L@rootsweb.com
Message-ID: <01b801c1e02d$686cde80$817c35d1@k6b8i8>
Subject: [BHC] DORKING, SURREY, ENGLAND
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This is the information of a young girl that was sent to Ontario, Canada.
Eventually married, had children and is buried in Manitoba.
In research done to find her family - no success.
Is there any other people on the List who has family that came out of the
area of Dorking, Surrey, Eng.

       ALICE ELLEN POPE
Admitted - 26th March 1912
Age 6 years, 6 months
Date and place of birth -
31 St. Aug 1906 - 72 Orchard Road,
Dorking, Surrey, England

Religious Denomination - Mother - Church of England
Baptized - YES
Full agreement, with Canada Clauses, signed by Mother.

Colour of hair - Brown Complexion - Fair,
Colour of eyes - Grey Vacc". Marks - 4 1.a.
Height - 3 ft. 6 1/2 in. Weight 45 lbs.
Chest measurement. - 22 1/2 in.  Condition of body - Fair development

An application for the admission of Alice and the half brother Percy, was
made by the Rev. W.Russell, Finlay, Fa-xhurst,Dorking. One of our inquiry
officers investigated the case, which resulted in which resulted
in the admission being offered to Alice only.

The Mother is a single woman who has had four illegitimate children by three
different men. According to her statement she was lead astray on each
occasion under the promise of marriage. The father of her first child
(Lizzie 12) was BRADSHAW, a railway porter, who met with tragic death on the
line.
She next kept company with a man named OVENDEN, who became the father of
Percy, and who then decamped.
Subsequently she was courted by William BRAVERY, a labourer, who is the
putative father of Alice and Florence.
An affiliation order was made for 2s. a week against this man, but after he
had gone to prison several times for non-payment, the mother told him she
would not trouble him any further.
She is now keeping company with a labourer named RICHARSON, who has assured
the maternal grandfather that he intends to marry her, but the latter has
his doubts about this.The general verdict on the mother is that
she is too fond of men and is easily mislead
At the present time the mother is earning 12s. 6d. a week as cleaner at the
Imperial Club, 33, High Street,  Dorking, of which she pays 4s. for rent.
It is stated she has little affection for her children and is impatient with
them and sears at them. The applicant mentioned that Mr. Gooch of Dorking,
an annual subscriber to these Homes of 20Lbs. was interested in this case.
He also stated that in the event of emigration he would endeavor to collect
the necessary funds. Alice is strong and healthy.

~ RELATIVES:---of *Alice Ellen Pope in 1912
~ Mother--
* Ellen Elizabeth Pope (34), cleaner, 23 North Street, Dorking
~ Half-brother--
* Percy (8), with mother.
~ Half-sisters--
* Lizzie (12), with Grandfather;
* Florence (3), with mother.
~ Grandfather--
* James Robert Pope (64), farm labourer, 18s. a week, Spooke Cottages,
   North Holmswood, near Dorking.
~ Uncles--
* George Pope (21), Carter,Station Road, Dorking.
* William Pope (17), Errand boy,living with his father.
~ Aunts--
* Annie Rose (24), husband out of work, 2 children, Norfolk Road
   North Holmswood, near Dorking.
* Ethel Pope (20), Servant," Avondale," B----hurst Hill, Essex;
* Susan Pope (19), in a Rescue Home.

________________ENGLAND_________________
POPE, ALICE ELLEN 30 8 05 - Adm. 26 3 12

App., - Rev. W. Russell Finlay, Ribblesdale, Dorking
(very interested in girl)
Letter;
June 2 1820, Mother- Mrs. F. Richardson, 70 Orchard Road, Dorking, Surrey
( writes for news of daughter , Alice E. Pope
Answered 8/6/1920.

Thank you ,
Marlene
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Re: Pope - 1841/1851 Lookup Request pls!
« Reply #5 on: Monday 06 December 04 09:54 GMT (UK) »
Jane
Thanks for this, it's very interesting!  It is indeed the same Alice Pope that I have in my tree - the date/place of birth is the same.
I shall pass this onto a distant relatives of mine, Darrell Pope, who is directly linked to that side of the family.
Thanks again - do keep me posted if you find any further information!
Sussex: Ewhurst, Burwash, Hurst Green
Kent: Maidstone
Surrey: Croydon, Norwood
Scotland: South Leith, Edinburgh

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Re: Pope - 1841/1851 Lookup Request pls!
« Reply #6 on: Monday 06 December 04 17:46 GMT (UK) »
Soooo pleased Alice has found a 'home' :)  The lady who wrote that was looking for English relatives, they have a big thing going for British Home Children.  I had emailed her but got no reply, maybe she's changed her address.
Jane
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« Reply #7 on: Tuesday 07 December 04 07:35 GMT (UK) »
Hi Jane

Just thought i'd drop you a few words of thanks for the info that Karen Pope passed on to me. Alice Ellen Pope is my Grandfathers niece. My Grand father was William John Pope (17) errand boy living with Father.There was a bit of a mystery surrounding Alices Mother Ellen Elizabeth Pope She had a child Elizabeth Bradfield Pope (Lizzie) in 1900 But no Fathers name was on the Birth cert it looks like the Fathers surname was Bradfield not Bradshaw. She then married Fred Richardson in 1912 and had two more children Ethel in 1913 and George in 1914 by him. i knew absolutely nothing about Alice, Percy or Florence untill now although i thought it was strange that there was a 13 year gap between children. I have now Ordered the birth certs for Alice, Percy and Florence to see if there is anymore info on their Fathers I will let you know if there is anything on William bravery.

Regards Darrell Pope. 
Sussex, Pope
Essex, Lazell
Poplar, Weatherill
Poplar, Ling

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« Reply #8 on: Tuesday 07 December 04 17:06 GMT (UK) »
Hi Darrell,
So glad you got back to me as I was going to suggest to Karen that if you needed any help with earlier Pope's I have Dorking parish registers in transcript also Capel, Abinger, Oakwood & Alfold, most going up to about 1840.  Noticed also that quite a number of Pope burials in the West Surrey burials index, so if I can be of any help, just say the word.
There was such a lot of information there it must have been thrilling to read it!
As for William Bravery (scum bag) I can't identify which one it is as I think there were two possibilities in Dorking, so further information would be great.  If he had been clapped in jail for non-payment of maintenance, I would think there must be some entry in the quarter sessions about it.  Unfortuantely I'm not in the UK so can't access these records & it was on my 'to do' list for my next visit,
Jane
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