Johnston - Rea - Kidd etc.

[adee7]

Hi,

Does anyone have information about the ancestry of AGNES RAE, born Feb 14, 1798 in Kinnettes?  Her father was Alexander.

On Aug 28, 1814, she married WILLIAM JOHNSTON, (born 1786).

She died Oct 31, 1888, 9 Green Street, Forfar

Thanks,     Kathleen

[adee7]

A continuation --

Children of Agnes Rae are:  DAVID, b. 1821;  JANE, b. 1825;
WILLIAM, b. Dec 17, 1833;  ALEXANDER, b. 1835;  JOHN, b. 1838;  GEORGE, B. 1841, all in Forfar area.

WILLIAM's first wife, ISABELLA KIDD, b. May 9, 1832, in Chrichen, Dunichen, died three years after they married.
Date of death is Feb 28, 1858.

Their children:  MARY JOHNSTON, b. 1855, Parish of Eassie & Nevay, d. Aug 18, 1906, Mount Pleasant, Monifieth.  On June 19, 1874, she married David McIntosh, b. 1854

                         DAVID KIDD JOHNSTON, b. 1856, Templeton, Newtyle.  Nothing more so far about him.

                          WILLIAM JOHNSTON, b. Oct. 30, 1857, Parish of Eassie & Nevay, d. Nov 14, 1925, Colliston, St. Vigeans, Arbroath.  Married ELIZABETH RAMSAY DORWARD, May 28, 1886.

My question?  Does anyone have information about the ancestry of AGNES RAE, ISABELLA KIDD, and BARBARA RAMSAY, mother of ELIZABETH RAMSAY DORWARD? -- or further information about DAVID KIDD JOHNSTON?

Thanks,     Kathleen




                 

[MonicaL]

Hi Kathleen

Just filling out some of the lines. Firstly, there are possible siblings to Agnes Rae showing on the OPRs. There are a number of entries either with just Alexander Rae as father or Alexander and mother's name Elizabeth Ramsay:

1. MARGARET Christening: 29 JUL 1794 Kinnettles, Angus, Scotland
2. JAMES REA Christening: 16 NOV 1795 Kinnettles, Angus, Scotland
3. AGNES REA Christening: 14 FEB 1798 Kinnettles, Angus, Scotland
4. ELIZABETH REA  Birth: 03 MAY 1800/ Christening: 04 MAY 1800 Kinnettles, Angus, Scotland
5. DAVID REA Birth: 02 JUL 1802/ 05 JUL 1802 Kinnettles, Angus, Scotland
6. ALEXANDER RAE Birth: 11 SEP 1804/ Christening: 16 SEP 1804 Kinnettles, Angus, Scotland
7. WILLIAM REA Christening: 10 APR 1807 Kinnettles, Angus, Scotland
8. JEAN REA Christening: 15 JAN 1810 Kinnettles, Angus, Scotland
9. ISABEL REA Christening: 22 MAR 1814 Kinnettles, Angus, Scotland

Is there no information on Agnes's DC in 1888 to confirm her mother's name?

Regards.

Monica

[MonicaL]

In respect of Agnes and William Johnston's children, going by the OPR entries to parents with those names, there are probably a few more children than show above following their marriage in 1814. A few early deaths of children would account for the use of the name again for a subsequent child:

1. MARGARET JOHNSON Birth: 04 FEB 1815/ Christening: 06 FEB 1815 Forfar, Angus, Scotland
2. BELL JOHNSON  Christening: 07 JAN 1821 Kirriemuir, Angus, Scotland
3. ELIZABETH JOHNSON Birth: 29 DEC 1822/ Christening: 04 JAN 1823 Kinnettles, Angus, Scotland
4. DAVID JOHNSTON Birth: 07 MAR 1825/ Christening: 15 MAR 1825 Forfar, Angus, Scotland
5. ANN JOHNSTON Birth: 27 MAR 1827/ Christening: 01 APR 1827 Forfar, Angus, Scotland
6. DAVID JOHNSON Birth: 21 MAR 1829Christening: 29 MAR 1829 Forfar, Angus, Scotland
7. JAMES ERSKINE JOHNSTON Birth: 24 MAY 1831/ Christening: 05 JUN 1831 Forfar, Angus, Scotland
8. WILLIAM JOHNSTON Birth: 17 SEP 1833/ Christening: 25 SEP 1833 Forfar, Angus, Scotland
9. ALEXR. JOHNSTON Birth: 01 MAR 1836/ Christening: 20 MAR 1836 Forfar, Angus, Scotland

Regards.

Monica

[MonicaL]

A few census entries. Looking at the children you have included above, you probably already have the 1841 entry.

1851:

William Johnston 64, H L W (linen), Kirry Mine, Forfarshire
Agnes Johnston    53, b. Kinnettles, Forfarshire
Elizabeth Johnston 28, H L W (linen), daughter, b. Kinnettles
Jean Johnston    26, daughter, b. Forfar
Ann Johnston    24, H L W (linen), daughter, b. Forfar
Agnes Johnston    8, daughter, b. Forfar
Ann Langlands    6, granddaughter, b. Forfar
Eliza R L Wilkie 1, granddaughter, b. Forfar

Address: South Kingsmuir, Forfar
   

1861:

William Johnston 74, b. Kirriemuir
Agnes Johnston    63
Elisabeth Johnston 36
Jean Johnston    34
Ann Johnston    32
Agnes Johnston    18
Elisa Wilkie    11
Agnes McNicoll    4, granddaughter, b. Forfar
Flora Cardean    9 Mo, granddaughter, b. Eassie
Margaret Cardean 9 Mo, granddaughter, b. Eassie

Address: South Kengsmuir, Forfar

And the 1871, with William Snr probably having died:

Agnes Johnston    73, head
Agnes Johnston    28
Ann Johnston    44
Jane Johnston    46
Agnes McNicoll    14
Margaret Cardean 10

Address: 10 Village Of Loar, Forfar

[moscan]

While there is no mention on the OPR for Agnes of a mother there is one listed for the mother of David christened 5 July 1802 (Born 2nd July 1802) her name is Elizabeth Ramsey but I couldn't find a marriage of Alexander and Elizabeth


Best wishes

Mo

[MonicaL]

Did William Johnston b. 1833 remarry the Isabella Anderson who shows in his household in 1861?:

WILLIAM JOHNSTON  Marriages: Spouse: ISABELLA ANDERSON    
Marriage:  07 DEC 1861  Airlie, Angus, Scotland

1861

William Johnston 27, ploughman, b. Forfar
Isabella Anderson 18, Domestic Servant & Ag Lab, b. Kirriemuir
Mary S Johnston 7, b. Forfar
David R Johnston 5, b. Newtyle
William Johnston 3, b. Eassie

Address: Newton West Cottages, Airlie, Angus

1871

William Johnston 36, farm servant, b. Forfar
Isabella Johnston 28, b. Kirriemuir
George A Johnston 8
James Johnston    4
Isabella Johnston 3
Agnes Johnston    7 Mo
George Leighton 11 Mo, nephew

Address: Mains Cottar House, Kinnettles, Angus

I can see a few possible entries in 1871 for children Mary, David and William working as farm servants in the county.

Regards.

Monica

[adee7]

Hi Monica,

Thanks for the information.  I am working from a document prepared by a cousin who concentrated mostly on his line of the very large family.

Yes, William married Isabella Anderson and had a large family with her.

As is often the case, many of the women's names etc are missing, so I am determined to find them.

Please tell me what the OPRs are?

Regards,  Kathleen

[moscan]

OPRS are the old (Pre 1855) parish records, they are available on Scotlandspeople which is a pay per view website where the OPRs and also the Birth Marriage and Death certs are viewable.

For £6 for 30 credits you may view the images.  One image is 5 Credits.

Best wishes

Mo