1881 & 91 Coventry - ANGLISS Can anyone help please?

[sarahjane412]

Can anyone help me find this couple who seem to have got lost for 24 years?

Susannah COLLINGBOURNE (aged 22, spinster, weaver) – father Thomas COLLINGBOURNE, weaver of Primrose Hill Street married James ANGLISS (aged 21, bachelor, weaver) -  father James ANGLISS, weaver of Gilbert Street on 3 Dec 1865 Coventry St Peter.

In 1871 she is with her parents at Primrose Hill Street.  She is listed as Married but with the name COLLINGBOURNE – which I suppose could just be an over-ditto?

The only likely James I can find in 1871 is a James ANGLAISH aged 27.  He is a weaver from Coventry visiting John UNDERWOOD, a Hosier in Nottingham, though he is down as unmarried.  Also visiting are two other weavers from Coventry delighting in the names William and Julia SHAKESPEARE!

I can't find either of them after this. 
 
The next thing I know is Susannah died in Hatton Lunatic Asylum 27 May 1895.  Her 'occupation' is listed as 'Wife of --- ANGLISS, Ribbon Weaver of Union Workhouse, Coventry'.  The informant is her sister Alice Sophia MILLS, of Hillfields Coventry.

I’d really like to know where they were in ’81 and’91 but just can’t seem to find them at all. I have even trawled through pages and pages of just people born in Coventry around the right time in case there is a particularly extreme mis-transcription (not an extreme one, but my favourite, being COLLIAYBONEVE for COLLINGBOURNE).

I’ve obviously missed something and I am hoping it is something obvious!

Hope someone can help.

Best wishes

Sarah

[grlune]

Hi Sarah

on FreeBMD Thomas Collingbourne died JUN qtr 1886 and Susanna's mother, Maria Collingbourne, died MAR qtr 1886

don't know if you have this info already but the death certs may mention Susanna as informant, perhaps?

regards, Graham

[sarahjane412]

Thanks Graham

I have these two references noted but have not yet sent for the certificates (they are next on the list of presents to myself!).

I am somewhat reassured that the rootschat experts don't seem to have been able to find them on the censuses either

It looks like Hatton records may be the only place to find Susannah and I was hoping to get a more specific time period than 'somewhere between 1871 & 1895'.  Fingers crossed that the parents death certs hold a clue.

James I fear is lost forever...

Sarah

[sarahjane412]

Well...things just get complicated don't they!

Today I received Maria COLLINGBOURNE's death certificate and lo and behold, the informant is Susannah YATES, daughter, of 40 Primrose Hill Street, Coventry.  There she is on the 1881 census listed as the 'wife' of William Yates, 42 year old silk weaver of Coventry.   There are 2 children Eliza YATES 10 and Willie YATES 6.

They are there again in 1891 - listed under BATES with just William Jr 16.

In 1901 William is a 62 year old widower living with his 38 year old widowed 'daughter in law' Helen YATES.

In 1871 William is living with his first wife Ann, & children Julia 11 and Sarah 9.  And in 1861 with Ann and children Henry 2 and Julia 1

There doesn't seem to be any sign of a marriage for William and Susannah, and she definitely had the name ANGLISS when she died.
 
Haven't yet found a death for his first wife Ann & not sure where this daughter in law comes from - she has to be the wife of his son Henry (who I can't find after 1861).


I get the feeling that James ANGLISS did a runner and Susannah is living in sin with William...


Any other ideas?  I'm just so glad she didn't disappear straight into Hatton that I'm not thinking too straight..

Regards

Sarah

[cov2811]

I dont know if you have this information or if it helps

Maria Collingbourne Buried on 22 February 1886 age 69 last address Primrose Hill Street
Buried with
Thomas Collingbourne Buried on 24 June 1889 Age 79 last address Hospital
   Square 125 Grave 207 London Road Coventry


Susannah Angliss age 51 Buried 1 June 1895 last address Hatton Asylum
Buried with
Thomas Yates Age 55 last address Workhouse Buried 18 December 1877
     Square 91 Grave 59 London Road, Coventry


Regards Sharon   

[sarahjane412]

Thanks Sharon, that's great!!

I had the Collingbourne burial details but not the last addresses and the important detail that Susannah was buried in a 'Yates plot'  (I didn't know of the Yates connection when I was in Coventry looking things up!).

From a quick look at census & IGI extracted records it looks like Thomas could be William's older brother. 

In 1881 William & Susan Yates have a 6 year old Willie living with them and I was trying to work out if this was his first wife's child but couldn't find a Willie/William Yates born at the right time (or the first wife's death for that matter).  But just this week I had another look at FreeBMD and there is a rather intriguing 'William Thomas Y ANGLISH' who was born exactly the right time...Y for YATES perhaps??  I have decided (for now at least) to claim him as mine!

Still no sign of James Angliss though.  Did a runner good and proper is what I think 

Thanks again for the info.  Great Great Aunt Susannah has certainly led me a merry dance!

Best wishes

Sarah

[cov2811]

Hi saran
Glad information was usefull, just had a quick look and I have burial  details of 44 matches for Yates and 22 for Collingbourne in london road
Give us a shout if you want me to check any others the record I have goes upto 1900
many regards Sharon

[sarahjane412]

Thanks for the very kind offer.

As the Yates connection is 'unofficial' so to speak - I'll leave them, but I would be very interested in any other Collingbournes.  Just about all the Collingbourne's in Coventry are linked (very probably) to Henry Collingbourne b1767 whose father Pitman Collingbourne moved to Coventry from Gloucestershire.

I did wander round London Road when I was in Coventry and found some rellies (including the family of David Collingbourne my GG Uncle) and some more distant ones from the rich side of the family (none of the money trickled over to my side of course!) headed by William Pitman Collingbourne.

Look forward to hearing from you.

Sarah

[cov2811]

These are all Collingbourne's

24 May 1874       Ann sarah   age 77  Craven Street
03 March 1867    Henry          age 70  Junction Street
   Square 121 Grave 101


26 Nov 1896       Charles Edwin   age 63    Workhouse
20 March 1881    Elizabeth           age 43    Hill Street
   Square 87 Grave 58

15 Sept 1873      Emily                  age 1      Hill Street
   square 130 Grave 154

05 Feb 1903        Frances             age 81
23 Nov 1891        Henry                age 1 m  36 Butts
28 June 1854      Maria                  age 4     Broomfield place
02 March 1899    Nellie Edith         age 6     32 Craven Street
   square 130 grave 5  Purchased by Henry Collongbourne Book 2/176

21 March 1875     George Pears     age 7w   Hill Street
   square 131 grave 15

21 January 1879    Jane                 age 48    Radford Road
25 Dec        1858    Ormond Page   age 20m  Hertford Terrace
09 Dec       1858     Percy William    age 3      Hertford Terrace
07 Aug       1902     William Pitman   age 78
    sqaure 12/13 grave 25     purchased by William Pitman Collingbourne Brick grave


22 Feb 1886           Maria                 age 69    Primrose Hill
24 June 1886          Thomas             age 79    Hospital
     square 125 Grave 207


20 July 1896           Reginald Harry    age 11m   123 Eagle Street
14 Nov 1898           Sarah Jane          age 30            Eagle Street
      square 95 Grave 122

26 Oct  1857           Sophia                age 63      Much Park Street
22 Feb 1874           William Piman       age 75       Butts
      square 13 Grave 2       Purchased by William Collingbourne

11 Jan  1900           William Alfred      age 28      73 Vine Street
       square 84 Grave 51

03 Sept 1877           William Pears     age 11w   Hill Street
       square 108 grave 15

Looking at the address's most of the lived in what is classed as Earlsdon, chapelfields, spon end area of coventry most of the streets are still here in coventry today

Do you have a Susannah born approx 1823 If so i have her burial details but she is a Smyth  and almost sure had money daughter of William pitman collingbourne

Ok I will leave it at that dont want you to think Im doing your tree !!! But its been a pleasure researching as my tree is giving me a headache at the mo

Regards sharon