Archibald - Kinross

[Roj47]

Having received assistance and read help other's have received I am hoping for further assistance on this section of my tree.

It has been stagnant for nearly 18 months, and would really love a break or even better..... Bump into someone searching the same tree.

My section of tree for Archibald finishes in Middlesbrough after moving in 1850s.

I have traced back to Andrew Archibald and Margaret Forrester (married 1776) with a child (one of five) Charles Archibald (b 1785 cameron, fife, scotland. Parents as Andrew archibald and margaret foster)marrying Betsey Borland. I am struggling to get further back at present. I believe Andrew's father was also called Andrew and I estimate birth around 1750.

I have a marriage 12th May 1776 - Kinross, Scotland

http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/search/frameset_search.asp?PAGE=ancestorsearchresults.asp

I have a marriage 10th May 1776 - Burntisland, Fife, Scotland

http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/search/frameset_search.asp?PAGE=ancestorsearchresults.asp

For Margaret I have references to Forrester, Forester, Foster and Forster as I look into it, and am aware that marriages in scotland could be logged up to three times (the marriage and homes for bride and groom).

Regards

[MonicaL]

Hi Roj47

Have you thought to look at the OPR image for the Kinross marriage, an actual extract ( I haven't checked on SP whether the Burntisland entry is supported by an actual entry - the IGI one is submitted). You might be fortunate and find details of at least fathers' names on the entry on the Register.

Following their marriage, the first born child showing on the OPRs looks to be a William in 1777 and then a John in 1779. There is a birth of an Andrew to a William father in Fife (also other entries to fathers Andrew or John, all in Fife, in the period you are looking at):

02/02/1755   ARCHIBALD   ANDREW   Parents: WILLIAM ARCHIBALD/ISABELL PATERSON FR181   M   Scoonie (Fife)   /FIFE   456/ 0010 0239

Hard to say without additional info to corroborate the entries. I also can't see any girls on IGI that would help with supporting entries for mother's name.

Regards.

Monica

[Roj47]

Many thanks for a fast reply, and will look into the names you provide. Will take some confirming, but certainly further forward than anytime in 18 months

Around 18 months ago I purchased marriage details, but was unable to find further details. I was advised that it could be a bann (?), which would not be an official document (?).

I have charles confirmed -

http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/search/frameset_search.asp?PAGE=ancestorsearchresults.asp

my GG-grandfather

http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/search/frameset_search.asp?PAGE=ancestorsearchresults.asp

my g-grandfather

http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/search/frameset_search.asp?PAGE=ancestorsearchresults.asp


The reason for thinking the next line back is as a result of this link -

http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/search/frameset_search.asp?PAGE=ancestorsearchresults.asp

[MonicaL]

Hi Roj47

The links you are showing for familysearch/IGI are not working. I think you need to type in the search results on to your post here (from memory, the IGI search results don't transfer over when you copy and paste the  search results URL).

Regards.

Monica

[Roj47]

Oops.... Thank you Here is a copy and paste for the above post of mine -

 Richard J. ARCHIBALD Household
    Male   
 
~~~~~~~~
 
  Other Information:
    Birth Year <1880> 
    Birthplace Mbro, York, England 
    Age 1 
    Occupation   
    Marital Status   
    Head of Household Richard ARCHIBALD
    Relation Son 
    Disability   
 
~~~~~~~~
 
  Source Information:
    Dwelling 56 Grange Rd East
    Census Place Middlesbrough, York, England 
    Family History Library Film 1342168
    Public Records Office Reference RG11
    Piece / Folio 4850 / 60
    Page Number 6


Richard ARCHIBALD Household
    Male   
 
~~~~~~~~
 
  Other Information:
    Birth Year <1839> 
    Birthplace Scotland 
    Age 42 
    Occupation Draper 
    Marital Status M <Married> 
    Head of Household Richard ARCHIBALD
    Relation Head 
    Disability   
 
~~~~~~~~
 
  Source Information:
    Dwelling 56 Grange Rd East
    Census Place Middlesbrough, York, England 
    Family History Library Film 1342168
    Public Records Office Reference RG11
    Piece / Folio 4850 / 60
    Page Number 6



RICHARD ARCHIBALD 
  Male     
   

~~~~~~~~
Event(s):
 Birth: 
 Christening:  16 DEC 1838   Associate Session, Pathstruie, Perth, Scotland
 
 Death: 
 Burial: 
   

~~~~~~~~
Parents:
  Father:  CHARLES ARCHIBALD  Family
  Mother:  ELISABETH BORLAND     
 

~~~~~~~~
Messages:
 Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the birth or christening date. 




CHARLES ARCHIBALD 
  Male     
   

~~~~~~~~
Event(s):
 Birth: 
 Christening:  20 MAR 1785   Cameron, Fife, Scotland
 
 Death: 
 Burial: 
   

~~~~~~~~
Parents:
  Father:  ANDREW ARCHIBALD  Family
  Mother:  MARGARET FOSTER     
 


Sorry this is long now

[MonicaL]

Don't be sorry it's long - all info is useful  .  I've got to pop out for a while, I'll have a look through when I get back.

Regards.

Monica

[MonicaL]

Hi Roj47

I have to admit defeat on your Andrew  b. c. 1750s at this stage. I can see an Ancestral file for the possible family, Andrew with father Andrew, that I think you are referring to on family search.

The problem I have with that entry is that with the OPR entries for the five sons that show to Andrew and Margaret, following their marriage in 1776, there is no sign of a son Andrew and there doesn't seem many gaps in the early years following their marriage:

William b. 1777
John b. 1779
David b. 1782
Charles b. 1785
Robert b. 1787

It is hard in this period as records become much thinner on the ground.  Can I ask, have you looked at the OPR entries for the banns/marriage on SP (the Burntisland on IGI is backed up by an actual OPR entry) to see whether they contain any useful info?

Regards.

Monica

[Roj47]

Many thanks for looking..... Driven me mad for months lol...

I have the Bann and marriage details, but they do not shed any light on parents.

In desperation I tried the 1841 census on the hope of a relative living to 90+, but surprise..... nope

Will get a lucky break no doubt........

Regards

[rhodamackenzie1]

Hiya
I have Andrew and Margaret's son John's death for you (b1779)- he was a soldier and moved to Orkney, dying 20th March 1859 in Stromness, Orkney (he was married to Hannah Murdoch, of Fife) - the bad news for you is that Johnn's daughter Christiana registered John's mother's name as Margaret Folster!! Sorry yet another one for the melting pot! Dad Andrew said to have been a blacksmith, both deceased. Thinking of Orcadian accents it could have been Forster or Forrester she was saying to the registrar - she could not write or spell herself so would only have the spoken word to go by.
Cheers, Rhoda