The Topham Family - Deeping St James, Lincoln

[Suz73]

Hi,

Wondering if some one can tell me what happenned to these boys:

Parents: Robert & Elizabeth (maiden name unknown) Topham
John Topham
abt 30 April 1801

Robert Topham
abt 6 August 1805

Samuel Cragg Topham
20 June 1812

Did they marry? When did thet die?

Thanks

Suzanne!

[karenlee]

Hi Suzanne

I have had a bit of a look on the UK Census for your "boys" and found this :-

1841 Census England Lincolnshire Deeping Fen
HO107/606/14/7

TOPHAM
Robert 70 Farmer Born in County
Elizabeth 70 Born in County
Camberwell 25 Born in County
Robert 35 Farmer Born in County
Elizabeth 25 Born in County
John 3 Born in County
William 9mths Born in County

This was a lucky find as it obviously has two generations of the family in the one house - just hope that they are yours.  Unfortunately this is the only census that I could find Robert the younger and his family on.

1851 Census England Lincolnshire Spalding
HO107/2096/511/37
London Road

TOPHAM
Robert Head Marr 80 Gentleman Lincoln Mosthroop ??
Mary Wife Marr 32 Lincoln Baston
Samuel Son Unmarr 38 Not in Business Lincoln Deeping
Eliza WALTON Serv Unmarr 20 Housemaid Lincoln Mouton

Looks like Robert sen got married again.

This is a tricky family to trace as they appear and then disappear just as quickly.  I will keep looking and hope that they show up again.

Karenlee

[karenlee]

Pretty sure now that the Camberwell should read Samuel - really messy writing on this page. 

1841 Census England Lincolnshire Deeping Fen
HO107/617/2/3

TOPHAM
John 35 Farmer Born in County
George LADD 15 Male Servant Not born in County
Elizabeth MADDOX 15 Female Servant Born in County

1851 Census England Lincolnshire Deeping Fen
HO107/2095/774/15
W? of Elloe

TOPHAM
John Head Marr 49 Farmer 220 Acres 6 Labourers Lincoln Deeping Fen
Ann Wife Marr 36 Licoln Spalding
Ann ALLEN Serv Unmarr 18 House Servant Lincoln Spalding
James PINCHBECK Serv Unmarr 17 Farmers Boy Lincoln Spaling Common

1861 shows John and Ann still in Deeping, still no children, but they have a niece Harriet Emma SMITH aged 17, born Norfolk Upwell, with them.  John has 219 Acres and employs 3 labourers and 1 boy.

1871 Census England Lincolnshire Deeping St Nicholas
RG10/3325/17/4
Turnpike Road

TOPHAM
John Cragg Head Marr 69 Farmer 219 Acres Employing 5 Men Lincoln Deeping Fen
Mary Ann Wife Marr 55 Lincon Spalding
Elizabeth FREEMAN Sister in Law Wid 54 Lincoln Spalding
Harriet Emma SIMTH Niece Unmarr 24 Norfolk Upwell
Mary MELLON Nurse Wid 60 Rutland Carlby
Sarah E BOOTHBY Serv Unmarr 20 Gen Serv Lincoln Pinchbeck
Cassandra MERRIKIN Sister in Law Marr 39 Lincoln Spalding

1881 Census England Lincolnshire Spalding
RG11/3204/79/19
19 London Road

TOPHAM
John Cragg Head Wid 80 Retired Farmer Lincoln Deeping Fen
Harriet Emma SMITH Niece Unmarr 36 Norfolk Upwell
Martha BROWN Serv Unmarr 21 Gen Serv Lincoln Deeping Fen


1891 Census Lincolnshire Spalding
RG12/2563/58/9
19 London Road

TOPHAM
John Cragg Head Wid 88 Retired Farmer Lincoln Deeping Fen
Harriet Emma SMITH Niece Unmarr 43 Housekeeper Norfolk Upwell
Fanny Elizabeth BATTERTON Serv Unmarr 21 Gen Servant Lincoln Cowbit

Karenlee

[Suz73]

Hi Karenlee,

You have filled in some blanks for me, and for that I thank you very much!!

Samuel just doesn't want to be found! (I wonder what happened to him???)

Robert Snr is a sneeky old buggar!  ( adds a but of fun to the family tree though)

Thanks again for the effort

Suzanne!!!

[Geoff E]

Robert Snr is a sneeky old buggar!  ( adds a but of fun to the family tree though)

He didn't quite sneak into the 1861 census - buried 26 July 1860 aged 96 (Deeping St Nicholas)

Re his birthplace ... the IGI has a Robert TOPHAM bap 1770 Saleby ... about a mile from Saleby is Thoresthorpe.  The image looks like Thosthorp to me.

http://tinyurl.com/29b653

John Cragg TOPHAM buried at DStN 3 Nov 1898 age 97

[Suz73]

Hi Geoff E,

Poor Robert Snr  having a very young wife didn't see him sneaking into 1861!!

Thank you for that information!!!

Samuel Cragg still doesn't want to be found!!!
Just wish I knew where he was hiding!

Suzanne!!

[Geoff E]

This would seem to be old Robert's marriage (and possibly reinforces the 1770 baptism theory)

27 Jan 1849 at Spalding
Robert TOPHAM (son of Robert) to Mary Horden HILL (dau of William)

Looks like they may not have been blessed with the gift of children

1861
London Rd, Spalding
Mary TOPHAM (wid) 43 Fundholder, Baston
Ann MAUGHAM 12 House Serv, Spalding

Possible burial of first wife ... 2 July 1845 Spalding.

[Suz73]

Thanks Geoff E!!!

Old Robert had one daughter & three sons already!!
At 79 I think he be a bit past being Daddy material!!

Suz!!!

[Geoff E]

Sorry, Elizabeth was aged 72.

I don't know who this was but I'll give him anyway

1861
37 Bartholomew St, Exeter, Devon
John Saml TOPHAM 30 Drug Comml Traveller, Deeping
Lucy 34 Islington
Mary Eliza HALL (niece) 8 Stamford
Caroline E (niece) 5 Stamford
Elizabeth NORMAN 29 Dom Serv, Devon

EDIT: IGI has him as son of Sam and Liz.