Brick Walls

[Vasquez109]

But im not going to give up!!!!

[Taidquest]

great grandfathers? can't even think about them til I can track
their 2 sons ,my grandfathers are the greatest wall builders of all time.
despite knowing lots about both their marriages and siblings ,plus addresses on certs.
1 marriage took place in dublin 1909,other grandad married
in dublin 1918.
have both their fathers names  plus mothers first name for one
and maiden name for the other .the problem? they don't seem to
exist before marriages except both served in the army during the first world war.
as for creating brick walls,well both were listed as labourers in civilian life.
                                                                                        anne
p.s. somewhere in dublin there is an adult baptism cert' for john as he converted  to rc to marry my grandmother.

[Vasquez109]

Oh dear! And I thought it was bad? Surely with most of that information you should be able to find it! I presume they are both Irish and ive heard nasty rumours about Irish records.

Is it really that bad to find Irish ancestors?

[Vasquez109]

Well my story is similar. My 3x Grandfather, I know everything about him. Got his birth, marriage and death certificates.

His father lived next door in one particular census! Got his year of birth as he appears in a few census, place of birth and a year of his death! But no information at all in any sort of record about a birth or a marriage. Unless im not using Parish records properly (Could be as im a newcomer to this!), im completely stumped.

Wonder where he got his building materials for his wall 

[Lydart]

He borrowed them from my Gr Grandfather in 1912 !

[Vasquez109]

Sounds about right. Have you any pointers regarding delving into parish records? Any do's or dont's?

[Taidquest]

Oh dear! And I thought it was bad? Surely with most of that information you should be able to find it! I presume they are both Irish and ive heard nasty rumours about Irish records.

Is it really that bad to find Irish ancestors?

I don't think Irish records from the period we need  are too bad,
its more to do with needing just that tiny piece of solid information
that will bring the walls down.my sister(celtic damsel) and I went to lombard street
 in dublin last week to check the death indexes again but this time for john's parents
 william and mary owens deaths.family legend says john was brought to dublin along with his family by his eldest brother at age 14 and  was born in wales(pontypridd or swansea).the dublin indexes show only about four or five deaths for owens in each quarter and as some of these can be ruled out by age alone being either too young or too old.we bought a couple which seemed the most likely to be them and then went around to the dublin city library on pearse street to check newspapers for obits for the dates on these.succeeded in 'marrying the wrong william and mary  as the mary we got was the widow of a man called martin!!we also had a few spare notes from the death indexes which is when I discovered that although I had noted the page and vol. number I had forgot to write down the year grr.
ah well,another visit to lombard street maybe next week might solve the mystery.my sister already visited wales a few years ago but without an actual address looking for owens in wales?more wrong certs.some posted on rootschat so maybe they might help somebody else some day.
                                                                                        regards.anne

[Taidquest]

Oh dear! And I thought it was bad? Surely with most of that information you should be able to find it! I presume they are both Irish and ive heard nasty rumours about Irish records.

Is it really that bad to find Irish ancestors?

I don't think Irish records from the period we need  are too bad,
its more to do with needing just that tiny piece of solid information
that will bring the walls down.my sister(celtic damsel) and I went to lombard street
 in dublin last week to check the death indexes again but this time for john's parents
 william and mary owens deaths.family legend says john was brought to dublin along with his family by his eldest brother at age 14 and  was born in wales(pontypridd or swansea).the dublin indexes show only about four or five deaths for owens in each quarter and as some of these can be ruled out by age alone being either too young or too old.we bought a couple which seemed the most likely to be them and then went around to the dublin city library on pearse street to check newspapers for obits for the dates on these.succeeded in 'marrying the wrong william and mary  as the mary we got was the widow of a man called martin!!we also had a few spare notes from the death indexes which is when I discovered that although I had noted the page and vol. number I had forgot to write down the year grr.
ah well,another visit to lombard street maybe next week might solve the mystery.my sister already visited wales a few years ago but without an actual address looking for owens in wales?more wrong certs.some posted on rootschat so maybe they might help somebody else some day.
                                                                                        regards.anne

[MarieC]

Ah, but Anne,

It might be OK if you can physically go to where the Irish records are.  It's quite hopeless if you can't!! 

And although there are a few Irish lines I am stopped on, because I can't get to appropriate records, my real Great Walls of China are in London.  Two of them, mid nineteenth century.  Two gggrandparents.  And unless an unknown family member emerges from the mists to tell me what happened to these people, those walls will remain! 

MarieC