Pedley Look up please

[leelou]

Ok
I'm getting the hang of this!
In 1881 Bridget, Joseph and their children Joseph and Charlotte live at Rea Street Aston.
William was born 29 April 1881 so would not be on the census.

BUT
According to my cousin who was the original birth certificate for William, he says Ellen is William's mother adn he was born in Rea Street! He told me this information before I mentioned Rea Street in my research.

Perhaps he is wrong about Ellen? I will be a little wiser at Easter I hope!
Louise

[Sisterjane]

Does the birth cert state "Ellens" maiden name? it should

Joe

[jim1]

Hello Louise
Give your cousin a nudge and get him to give mother's maiden name in full,Bridget may have been known by another name as well.
The only marriage I could find for Joseph Pedley was the one I gave you,but to be sure you will need to search the full indexes on Ancestry.

Jim

[leelou]

Thanks Jim
Just phoned and he's out. I'll try later!
Louise

[jim1]

Tell him to stay in or we'll send the boys round.

[Valda]

JOSEPH PEDLEY 
ELIZABETH DOLEY 
Marriage:  08 JUN 1874   Saint Bartholomew, Birmingham, Warwick

possible for Elizabeth on an earlier census
 
1871 census RG10 3097 folio 12
6 Court 1 House Birmingham  Warwickshire 
Henry Doley 48  Smethwick, Warwickshire,  Head Married Packer
Sarah Doley 47  Birmingham, Warwickshire, Wife Married Whip braider
Elizabeth Doley 17  Birmingham, Warwickshire, Daughter  Whip braider
George Doley  13  Birmingham, Warwickshire,  Son Brassfounder
Caroline Doley 12 Birmingham, Warwickshire,  Daughter Warehouse girl
William Doley 2  Birmingham, Warwickshire, Son

Possible death for a Joseph Pedley - though this doesn't prove the marriage, the 1871 census and the 1879 death actually do connect.

Deaths Sep 1879   
Pedley  Joseph  34  Birmingham  6d 66

If a candidate for the Joseph Pedley you are interested in has not been found on the 1871 census that leaves plenty of scope for Joseph not being in Birmingham and marrying elsewhere. With a wife born in Ireland for instance he could have been in the army. Her names may be Bridget Ellen or Ellen Bridget or the census enumerator may simply have got the name wrong (nothing on the death index for that combination) or your cousin might be mistaken. You really do need 'Bridget' 'Ellen's surname from her son's birth certificate to help people try and find her in the civil registration and if possible earlier censuses. Alternativel she may be Elizabeth Doley.

Regards

Valda

[jim1]

Hello both
Valda...I couldn't get the drift with the death info. but looked at  Elizabeth Pedley in 1881 and found her widowed as you did.As she is living in Staffs. I wonder if she married the Joseph Pedley who was born there.I think Louise you need the marriage cert. as well.

Jim

[Valda]

The widow Elizabeth Pedley living in Stone Staffordshire in 1881 is not the same age as Elizabeth Doley on the 1871 census, so could be the widow of any named Pedley not a Joseph. There is a 10 year age difference (she was 36 in 1881) which is why I didn't give her as a possible. The Elizabeth who married the Joseph Pedley in 1874 could easily have remarried before 1881 and after his potential death in 1879. e.g.

Marriages Mar 1881   
Pedley  Elizabeth     Birmingham  6d 25

Can you explain Jim why getting the 1874 marriage certificate would be useful if it has the possibility of being a marriage to another Joseph Pedley in Birmingham and not the one who was alive and 'married' to Bridget in 1881. I'm not quite sure how it would help?

Regards

Valda

[jim1]

It seems to me that there are 2 Josephs in B'ham at about the same time although I can find only 1 birth in B'ham + 1 in Staffs. who may have migrated in.The marr. cert. would establish who this Joseph belonged to.

Regards Jim