What kind of building is this and where??

[DudleyWinchurch]

Thanks for that Tomkin, the colouring explains a lot of the confusing detail.  The bed beyond the rail is clearly between the square pillar (nearer) and the round column behind, which is why you can see all of the foot board but part of the headboard is obscured.  

The room is longer than I thought initially (I was assuming That the length could be calculated by assuming beds to be approx. six feet and doing a comparison between chair height at front and against back wall (approx 2 times) and the heights of the bed head and foot on the near bed as both ends appear to be constructed the same -  but haven't yet got around to working out how to measure these accurately).  

The arches supported by the pillars and the pillars themselves may be hiding other things.  Probably side windows at the chapel end and it would be quite normal for the ceiling to be higher or even domed over the altar area if the room was purpose built.

Even a conversion may have deliberately introduced the arches at that end of the room to provide a contrasting extra height over the altar.  The daylight from the right side is much stronger so taken with the idea of additional artificial lighting from that centre fixing, may account for the cross shadows, the completely shaded dark pillar on the right and the pool of light on the floor beyond the left hand chest of drawers towards the far end.  The shadows on the doors confused me at first but I have since realised that my modern reproduction doors have mouldings on the panels.  If those wooden doors are similar it would account for the apparently alternating shadows on different parts of the doors.

Using magnification, you can see not only the half-gate folded back on the left but also the back (same width as the end support of the altar rails) and some turned spindles, slightly to the left of it, from the gate at the right which is not quite fully at a right angle to the rails.

The viewpoint seems to me now to be not central, as I at first thought, but along the line of the end of the right hand altar rail.  The table nearest the camera is offset a little to the right, possibly to allow freer access around the room.  It's a much bigger room than seemed at first glance.

Also I don't think the glass case is closed on two sides, although it may have a rear blank panel.  It may be that the light reflecting though/off it is causing a limit on what can be seen through it but the edge of the pillar is clearly visible as is the furthest garment/curtain edge behind it.

[martianuk]

ENVELOPE DETAILS HAVE ARRIVED!!! The negatives may not pre-date the sisters.

I have details from a phone conversation, but I'm told that a scan will follow at some point today.

There were two envelopes for the three negatives and we're not sure which pics were in which one (the two room pictures and the cat - apparently the sisters and their family before them always owned a cat called Monty, replaced by another Monty and another...)


Brown paper fold out wallets. Both have machine sewn sides.

"postage" is written where a stamp would go
2oz 1 1/2p
4oz 2p
6oz 2 1/2p

Printed in very large uppercase on both:

TO WILL R. ROSE, LTD
Photographic Chemist
25, PROMENADE
CHELTENHAM

Their are different addresses on each. The other address on the second envelope is

TO WILL R. ROSE, LTD
Photographic Chemist
133/134 HIGH STREET
OXFORD


"Have you enclosed your name & address?"

On the back:
"Order your new films now from Will R Rose because they are guaranteed. They are sent POST FREE. They are accompanied by the Will R Rose wrapper, which is an ingenious device and ensures safe postal transit."

I don't know if this fits in, but this link mentions Rose and a chapel in the same breath.
http://www.kmatthews.org.uk/12hp92/chapel.html

Another link had this:

Artists' Papers Register Corporate Authority Record
      GB/NNAF/B76197
Will R Rose Ltd, Photographers

Dates: Existed from 1905 to 1992

Thesaurus
PHOTOGRAPHERS
PHOTOGRAPHY STUDIOS

Archival Resources
Number noted: 1

Minutes, annual reports, ledgers, scrapbooks, photographs, etc., 1905-1992
Held at: Cheshire and Chester Archives and Local Studies
Document reference: CR705


Date of creation: 07 November 2002

http://www.apr.ac.uk/artists/searches/artistrecs.asp?ARID=GB/NNAF/B76197

Hadyn is out, so he has yet to see that we have details on the envelopes now.

Happy me!

Kirsty
 

[Gadget]

Well 

But was this Rose the photographer or did he just  process it?  And was it just for the cat photo? The Chapel sounds interesting. Maybe he took a photo before he demolished it all?

Gadget

PS - what about the glass plates 

[martianuk]

Wow, just seen the info on the envelopes...not sure what it means with regards to the photo though...!

PS - what about the glass plates 

Sorry, what about them?

Hadyn

[Gadget]

I take it that these negatives were from photographs of the glass plates which had the brown paper around the edges? Or did the envelopes contain the glass plates?

Gadget

[martianuk]

I take it that these negatives were from photographs of the glass plates which had the brown paper around the edges? Or did the envelopes contain the glass plates?

Gadget

The glass plates are the negatives which came in the envelopes, which are pretty heavy duty card to keep them safe. So the glass negatives had the brown paper around them and the envelopes to protect them.
When I scanned them I had to invert the colours to get the true image - So I've been assuming all along that negatives is the right term for the glass plates???

Hadyn

[Dave Francis]

"postage" is written where a stamp would go
2oz 1 1/2p
4oz 2p
6oz 2 1/2p

"p" or "d"?

[martianuk]

d, I would think. I was told p, but that's probably because my mum was thinking in pence. I will check, but yes, assume d, unless I say otherwise.

Kirsty

[patrish]

Help............ where is the colour photo, I cant find it. 


Ahh........ fo und it now