1901 lookup please-Owens, McCartney

[Matt R]

Hi all, Im on the hunt of a Bernatrd Owens in the 1901 census, either living in Anderston, Barony or Holytown. He may even have been away at sea, he had a wife xcalled Lizzie. Bernard would be close to the age of 30 in 1901, he was born in Ireland if that helps. Lizzie would have been the same age roughly, but I dont know her birthplace. I know bernard's occupation was something to do with the sea.

Also, Im on the lookout for the family of Bernard and Susan McCartney, possibly in Cambuslang, if not, somewhere around that part of Lanarkshire.
I appreciate the info is lacking a wee bit, but Id appreciate any help
Regards
Matthew

[Gadget]

Hi Matthew

Susan and Bernard McCartney:

1901 654 ED 22 page 12

30 Stonelaw St, Rutherglen

Bernard, 30, siewer(?) in Tube Works, b. Cambuslang
Susan, w, 25, weaver, b. Rutherglen
Bernard,s, 8, b. Rutherglen
James, s, 6, b. Rutherglen
Susan, d, 4, b. Rutherglen


If no one has looked for the others, I'll look later this evening.

Gadget 

[Gadget]

Hello again Matthew

Not much luck with Bernard (or Lizzie!) but I've found a few Elizabeths. To help narrow down the search, would they have had any children?

Is Lizzie, Eliza Fox or Elizabeth Carey?

Gadget

[Matt R]

Hi Gadget, thanks for the lookups, Im not sure to be hoenst. All I have on them is what Ive written, I'll look and see if I can find Bernard's death certifiacte, it may be signed by one of his kids. Other than that, I cant be sre, sorry!
Matthew

P.S If naming patterns are anything to go by, children may have been Bernard, Elizabeth, Lizie, Mary Ann, John, William, Ann, Peter, Ellen, Bridget. Other than that Im sfraid this family are very elusive.

[Matt R]

Hi gadget, Ive just reread your message. Bernard Owens married Elizabeth Carey, but his father was called Bernard Owens, who was married to Eliza Fox.

So Bernard Owens, amrried Eliza Fox in Ireland. Their son was Bernard, who is the one Im after. He married Elizabeth Carey. Both Bernards are hot on my lookup list!!

Matthew

[Gadget]

Hi again Matthew

So I don't have to use any of my units~

What have you got on both the Bernard families, apart from what you say here?
Have you got them in the earlier censuses?
If so, where?
What age was the elder Bernard and his wife?
Have you got details of the Owens/Carey marriage?

Regards

Gadget

[Matt R]

Hi, Ive checked to see earlier cenus' but nothing concrete, the family were still in Ireland at this point. I have Bernard and Elizabeth CAREY'S marrige certificate, dated April 1889, when he was 19. He was a sailmaker at the time.

Elder Bernard was born in Ireland, could be anywhere Im currently writing to parishes Ive narrowed it down to!
He married Eliza Fox there around 1860 and had kids Mary Ann, Peter (died 1865-69, Ireland), Eliza or Lizzie, Catherine, Ellen, John, Bernard, Joseph.

Eliza or Lizzie married a James Carey, this is confusing as her brother Bernard married an Elizabeth Carey (!)
Before that though she had been married to James Rice, they had two kids in the 1901 census, Patrick and Mary Ann.

Mary Ann is my g g granny. She married Francis McDonald in 1885, he died in 1889 and she remarried to Irishman Michael Hughes in 1894. He died in 1911 and Mary Ann died 1941 aged 79.

Ellen married twice too! First to a William Chamberlain, and then to a man called Donnachie, dont know his frirst name. It would be interesting to see if I can there marriage certs on scotlandspeole.

The family is quite complicated there are a lot of deaths and remarryings going on!

Catherine married Charles McMillan on March 10 1880 in Belfast.

John apparently never married, relative tells me he died in Cleland hospital, after 1931

Finally Bernard married Elizabeth Carey (dont know if shes any relation to Elizabeth Owens' husband James Carey)

The youngest child of Bernard Owens and Eliza Fox was Joseph.  He married Rose McGinty.
Annotingly I cant find any of their kids in the censuii because they did not marry until 1903!!

Bernard the elder died in Kelvin Glasgow in June 1884 aged 44. Im told by the family he died on the crossing from Ireland to Scotland, his cause of death was acute pneumonia, he died in Galsgow Western Infirmary.

After Bernard's death his wife Eliza Fox remarried to John Devanny in 1892. I dont know when he died but Eliza died 1915 aged 75, in Holtown.

There are alot of gaps in thuis branch of the family. Thats moreorles all I have, the rest is what the family tell me, I have know their info to be edited over the years!!!
If theres anything you dont understand, let me know, I apologise I havent exactly explined it clearly!
Regards Matthew

[Tees]

Hi Matthew!!

You have forgotten that there was another Peter Owen (I will call him Peter II) born to this family.  Peter I died as you stated which is correct and confirmed by me.

Hope you can look for Peter II in Scottish censuses.

Cheers,

Tees

[Matt R]

Thanks this is so confusing there are so many people to keep track of!
Peter II does not apear with parents on 1891/1901 census so he was married with own family. Now I just have to hunt him down!!