William Leah born 1847 Bramhall

[Brains]

Hi,
 I have a GT Grandad William Leah born 1847 Bramhall, He married a Hannah Whittle  they had  seven children . I have no father for William, only a Mother a Harriet Leah born Bramhall abt 1827. I would like to find brothers and sisters if any to my Gt Grandad  William if at all possible,  Any one got a relative born arround that date perhaps in Bramhall, that had no father but a mother Harriet.
they may be a connection to my William. I would love to go further back on my Leah family,
Appreciate any help thanks.
Barbara Mcvey(Leah)

[peterbennett]

Hi

     Not quite sure which William Leah you mean, there are quite a few around the Stockport area.

     If he was born in Bramhall it would show in the http://www.cheshirebmd.org.uk/ as Hazel Grove, which does show one born there in 1847 but also shows him dying there aged 6 in 1853. I think this William is shown living with his grandparents in 1851 census.

HO107-2157-F640  Bramhall

Charles Leah head 61 ? carpenter Bramhall
Ann wife 54
Ann daug 26
Harriet daug 24
David son 22
Sarah daug/in/law 32
William gran/son 3

Do you have a marriage certificate for William and Hannah ? if so what information does it give.

peterbennett

[Brains]

HI Peter,

I too have that census, showing that William is only 3 years old.
No I have not got the marriage of William and Hannah, only had William Leah birth certifcate born 1847 at Bramhall.  I  have a Census in 1891 in Hyde Hannah is there with all children she is 42 but William is not on it, same with John Leah birth certifcate  my grandad,  a brother to william born 1877, he was not on that either, so William may have died or be somewhere else.  anyway it could not be the William you said who died at 6 as, I have  1881, and 1891 Censusand he married and had a family.
Regards
Barbara Mcvey(Leah)

[peterbennett]

Hi Barbera 

           Sorry if I may be appearing to be being  argumentative but I think the birth certificate you have for William Leah son of Harriet is not the same William Leah that married Hannah ____?

1891 census he is not on.
1881 it says born Hyde (which is probably a mistake)
1871 census states he was born Wilmslow

Nowhere does it mention him being born in Bramhall

I think the William you are looking for was born to Joseph and Rebecca Leah in Pownall Fee (Wilmslow) in 1849, he moved with his parents and siblings to Hyde between 1851 and 1861.

Just trying to stop you searching the wrong man.

peterbennett

[Brains]

Hi Peter,

Many thanks for your email , Its nice to see you  are concerned about me, perhaps having the wrong William Leah birth certifcate.  I have thought at times I may have the wrong birth certificate too,  and have wished that I may  have the wrong one, so that I may  be able to get one with my william that shows he has a father on the birth certifcate, so I could go further back perhaps.

I dont know what to do about trying to get the correct birth certifcate ,thats if I have got the wrong one,  Now you have got me thinking again, as I have  the correct william and his wife Hannah, as all the census show all the children, and I know for sure they are the correct family,   it showed John and he was my grandad, Jonathan I have photos of an dknew of him, as well as Elizabeth known as Lizzie when I was a young girl I visited her from school as she lived near my school. others my dad told me the names, but nothing about them, I think my Grandad was only in contact with his sister who lived in the same area of Hyde.

I checked the microfisches a long time ago to see if there was a William Leah born arround the same date in Hyde, but then could not find one, so that seemed the nearest if I remember correctly, someone told me that  Bramhall was not that far from Hyde,  but it is really a little further  I think.

So doesnt look like it could be the names you said  Joseph and  was it Rebecca from Wimslow, As on my Grandads birth certifcate was a definite William  for his father.

Iv'e tried to find anything on BMD's and Family search, no luck as yet,

This as really got me wondering now,

William was a popular name used a lot in the old days,

I'm just wondering if its  worth while me getting William and Hannah Leah's marriage certifcate?

Thanks again for your input Peter,

Regards
Barbara  Mcvey

[peterbennett]

Hi Barbera 

So doesn't look like it could be the names you said  Joseph and  was it Rebecca from Wimslow, As on my Grandads birth certifcate was a definite William  for his father.

I am not saying that Joseph and Rebecca are the parents of your grandfather John, but may be the parents of your gt grandfather William.

Please bare with me on this, I will set out the details, just to keep me from forgetting or getting confused.

1891 census RG12-2791-F75-Page 1  2 Randle Street Hyde

Hannah Leah 42 born Hyde
Samuel 21 felt hat planker Hyde
Thomas 16 ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~
John 14 clerk in cotton mill Hyde
James 11 scholar Denton
William 9      ~ ~  Hyde
Joseph 7 ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~
Johnathon 5 ~ ~ ~ ~ ~
Elizabeth 1 ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~

You have a birth certificate for you grandfather John that shows his father to be William, mother Hannah Whittle.

1881 census RG11-3469-F9-Page13  12 John Shepley St Hyde

William Leah 33 felt hatter Hyde (which I think may be wrong birthplace)
Hannah 31 Hyde
Samuel 11 scholar Hyde
Thomas 6 scholar Hyde
John 4 scholar Hyde
James 1 Hyde

1871 census RG10-3651-F44-Page25 1 Washington Court off Catherine Street Hyde

William Leah 21 felt hatter born Wilmslow
Hannah 20 cotton weaver Hyde
Samuel 1 Hyde

Marriage certificate needed to verify the father's names of William and Hannah
Marriage 1st quarter 1870 at Stockport, volume 8a page 5

I think that the marriage certificate may show Williams father as Joseph, if so then this looks to be the family

1861 census RG9-2557-F20 Page34  Elizabeth Street Hyde

Joseph Leah 36 cotton weaver born Handforth
Rebecca 35 Handforth
William 13 cotton piecer Handforth
Pheobe 9 cotton bobbin sorter Handforth
Elizabeth 7 scholar Handforth
Hannah 5 scholar Handforth
Mary 1 Hyde

1851 census HO107-2162-F80-P3  Lacy Green Pownall Fee (Wilmslow) Cheshire

Joseph Leah 26 labourer at print works born Handforth
Rebecca 25 Handforth
William 1 Pownall Fee

Hopefully we should be able to get you further back if Joseph is the correct father for your gt grandfather William.

peterbennett

[Brains]

HI Peter,
Thanks again for all you sent me regarding William Leah my Gt Grandfather,
after  reading and digesting your messages, I think you could possible be correct, that Joseph and Rebecca may be Williams Parents, if so then I may have the wrong  birth certifcate of  William Leah in Bramhall.but I will get  send away for the marriage certifcate of William and Hannah Leah,

Wont be for a while, as I have sent for some already, but will get back to you and let you know.

Thanks again

Barbara Mcvey(Leah)

[Brains]

Hi Peter,
Hope all is well with you,  we contacted each other quite a few months ago, my enquiry was about my Gt Grandad William Leah who married  a Hannah whittle, and they had  8 children Samuel, Thomas, John my Grandad, James, William , Joseph, Jonathan, and Elizabeth.
 You emailed  me back  saying you thought Joseph Leah and a Rebecca were  Williams parents , they were born Handforth. I thought that could be them.
I have  a birth certifcate of  William Leah born 1847 in Bramhall, but he has no father mentioned only a mother Harriet, so could not go any further back with my research. You and I came to the conclusion that I may have the wrong William Leah's birth certifcate, and we decided it may be a good idea to send for the marriage certifcate of William Leah and Hannah Whittle.
so at last today I decided I would send for the marriage certifcate, you gave me these details,   marriage 1st quarter 1870 at stockport, volume 8a page 5
 I thought I would do a quick check on the cheshire BMD's for their marriage but could not find,  I too thought I had the same details down on paper somewhere, but could not find either.
I just wondered if you could vertify this for me, before I try and send away .
thankyou.
Hope you dont mind.

Regards
Barbara McVey(Leah)

[peterbennett]

Hi Barbara

                The record of the marriage in the CheshireBMD is there, for some unkown reason the name of Hannah as been mistranscribed as Harriet, but all other names are spelt as you have them on you last post.

The General Record Office indexes have Hannah Whittle spelt correctly.

regards

peterbennett