Sentance/Sentence family and related

[julessh]

Thank you so much Ladyhawk for taking the time to research this. I've been a year researching all 4 sides of my family and switch from one to another. I have only started Sentance a few weeks ago. I haven't been paying for any certificates and am aware I can get these and will do if I get a brick wall. Great idea to get the other marriage witnesses and signatures, something I haven't yet thought about.  Forgot to mention, but you will have seen, Fanny Sentance was another witness on my Elizabeth's marriage and she was on one of John's children's marriage, although obviously not necessarily the same Fanny, but with that and Henry Horton being a witness too (Mary Horton's father is Henry Horton so if it's the same Elizabeth, he would be her grandfather). The signatures of Elizabeth do look similar, don't you think, but she messed up her signature on the other one. I'm interested now to see Fanny's signature so can check for that next time I visit the library as that's where I access Ancestry free.  All the info you gave about the children are what I had seen on FamilySearch so that is the one on there, but his middle name is Isaac.  You could be right about the William being her brother as errors must happen all the time.  My Elizabeth married Henry Bartholomew but I've seen records with him John Bartholomew and Henry Bartholomew Carter (his father was called Henry Bartholomew Carter as he married a woman called Carter). Later on Henry dropped 'Bartholomew' and was known as just Henry Carter. 

[Ladyhawk]

This appears to be John’s birth entry

SENTANCE, JOHN  ISAAC     mmn WALTON 
GRO Reference: 1837  D Quarter in GRANTHAM UNION  Volume 14  Page 288

John & Mary name a son Walton

SENTANCE, WALTON       mmn HORTON 
GRO Reference: 1875  J Quarter in SOUTHWELL, NOTTS  Volume 07B  Page 351

No image to view on Anc*y this appears to be John’s baptism

John Isaac Sentance
Birth 17 Sep 1837
Baptism 15 Oct 1837 Barrowby,Lincoln
Father    Valentine Sentance Mother   Frances

1851 census John is listed as Isaac parents Valentine & Frances
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:SGN2-6TW

1841 census Val’e transcribed as Dale

Piece   615
Page number   19
Dale Sentance 29 Shepherd
Frances Sentance 26
Walton Sentance 5
JOHN Sentance   3
Sarah Sentance 2
William Sentance 11 Mo

Valentine Sentance
Marriage 16 May 1835 Barrowby,Lincoln
Spouse   Frances Walton

For info. Burials
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/194669704/valentine-sentance
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/194669748/frances_sentance

Mary Horton
Baptism 27 Oct 1839 Norwell and Carlton On Trent Nottingham
Father    Henry Horton Mother   Elizabeth

HORTON, MARY   mmn RICKETT 
GRO Reference: 1839  S Quarter in SOUTHWELL  Volume 15  Page 617

1841c Piece   866 Page number   25
Henry Horton 20
Elizabeth Horton 20
Mary Horton   1

Marriage
1838 Dec Southwell Nottinghamshire Volume 15 Page   1189
Henry Horton
Female name on same page
Elizabeth Rickett

Mary’s sister Sarah married 1868 Spouse William Henton - image on Anc*y
one witness named Mary Sentance

[Ladyhawk]

My Elizabeth married Henry Bartholomew but I've seen records with him John Bartholomew and Henry Bartholomew Carter (his father was called Henry Bartholomew Carter as he married a woman called Carter).

Later on Henry dropped 'Bartholomew' and was known as just Henry Carter.

For info.

surname Bartholomew on 1891 census
Henry, Elizabeth & dau Annie

BARTHOLOMEW, ANNIE    mmn   SENTANCE 
GRO Reference: 1883  D Quarter in NEWARK  Volume 07B  Page 449

Surname Bartholomew on 1901 census
Henry, Elizabeth, Annie, Mabel & John Henry

CARTER, MABEL  BARTHOLOMEW  mmn SENTANCE 
GRO Reference: 1895  D Quarter in SHEFFIELD  Volume 09C  Page 537

CARTER, JOHN  HENRY BARTHOLOMEW  mmn SENTANCE 
GRO Reference: 1895  D Quarter in SHEFFIELD  Volume 09C  Page 537

Mabel & John Henry Bartholomew CARTER born 25 Sep 1895
Baptism 23 Oct 1895 Sheffield, St John, Park, Yorkshire
Father John , farm labourer Mother Elizabeth - image on Anc*y
Abode Windy House Farm

Surname CARTER on 1911
John Henry, Elizabeth, John Henry, Mabel, Nellie gd/dau her 1903 bapt. mother named Annie CARTER

Surname CARTER on 1921
John Henry Bartholomew, Elizabeth Bartholomew, John Henry Bartholomew

John Henry Bartholomew CARTER married 27 Mar 1922 at Sheffield, St Peter, Abbeydale, Yorkshire
Father Henry Bartholomew Carter - image on Anc*y

[julessh]

Thank you again.  I have access to all John Issac Sentance's family on FamilySearch. I checked out his brother William but dates don't fit.  I'll be visiting the library again shortly to access Ancestry so what I need to do is check for Fanny as a witnesses at all John Issac's children's weddings, including Mary's you gave, to see if signatures match.

I have already done the Bartholomew/Carter side of things thank you. I didn't make it clear when I mentioned them, that I was pointing out the difference in the use of names when I was agreeing with you about William possibly being entered in error. What you did give is the son John Henry Bartholomew's marriage date so I can get a marriage certificate hopefully from Ancestry as they uploaded Sheffield ones recently.

[Ladyhawk]

Here's Fanny's signature

[Ladyhawk]

I have already done the Bartholomew/Carter side of things thank you.

What you did give is the son John Henry Bartholomew's marriage date so I can get a marriage certificate hopefully from Ancestry as they uploaded Sheffield ones recently.

Not sure if you have the burial information for JHBC and his parents... the information is available on sheffieldindexers, gives cemetery name & grave number
search burials, enter cemetery name and surname Carter

[Ladyhawk]

I can't see any other marriages with Fanny as a witness

There's a marriage in 1903 for a Joseph age 23 father John, Shepherd
the witnesses are a Mabel & R SENTANCE

There are these two birth entries

SENTANCE, JOSEPH       mmn HORTON 
GRO Reference: 1879  D Quarter in SOUTHWELL NOTTS  Volume 07B  Page 371

SENTANCE, JOSEPH  WALTON     STEVENITT 
GRO Reference: 1880  M Quarter in GRANTHAM  Volume 07A  Page 500

[julessh]

Not sure if you have the burial information for JHBC and his parents... the information is available on sheffieldindexers, gives cemetery name & grave number
search burials, enter cemetery name and surname Carter

Yes I regular visit Indexers - thank you.

[julessh]

I can't see any other marriages with Fanny as a witness.

There's a marriage in 1903 for a Joseph age 23 father John, Shepherd
the witnesses are a Mabel & R SENTANCE ...

Thank you - still difficult to tell with Fanny's signature. They look similar, but smaller. Signatures I've seen don't seem to vary much from one person to another.  I suppose it was how they were taught to write back then.  JHBC and Elizabeth's only daughter was Mabel too - I was thinking named after her sister, but that would have been a popular name. 

I'm sure it's the same family. Married in the same church too and I've not come across another family in my research so far that fits dates and area.