1891 Census for Deal & Walmer

[RayofGlamorgan]

Hi AJ

She was married to William GODDARD.  I have found this on FreeBMD as being Dover 1866 Q3 and from the LDS site, 22 Jul 1866.  In 1871 and 1881, her grandfather, Thomas SPAIN, was with them and in 1891 her mother, Sarah Ann (SPAIN) BUSHELL, was with them.

In 1911, she is listed as having had 8 children, 2 of whom had died.

Of these, I have:

Charlotte (second name probably Ann as I have that as Dover 1867 Q3) b Ringwould (1871 age 3) or Kingsdown (1881 age 13) - no sign of her thereafter (so far)

Ellen Maria b Walmer 1871 Q3 (have her in 1881-9, 1891-19, 1911-39 where she is married 17 years, 9 children, 7 living, 6 in same listing)

William Henry b Eastry 1874 Q3, bap 5 Oct 1874 (LDS) Walmer, d Eastry 1875 Q1 aged 0

Katie Elizabeth b Walmer 1876 Q1, bap (LDS) Walmer19 Mar 1876 , have 1881-1911- 5,15,25,35 probable marriage 1913

Fanny Sarah b Walmer 1880 Q2, bap St Mary 16 May 1880, 1881-1, 1891-11, 1911-31 plus 2 children (no others)

George James b Deal 1883 Q1, no bap, 1891-8, 1911-28, married 1914

Thomas John b Deal 1886 Q1, bap (LDS) 13 Jan 1886 St Leonards Deal, 1891-6, probable marriage 1912

There is also a weird entry for a "Miam Mary GODDARD" in the St Mary, Walmer Parish records for (editor comment) between 24 Aug and 6 Sep.  I wonder if William Henry and she were twins and for some reason baptised in separate churches.  Alternatively both entries could be the same with transcription problems.

1901 missing entries are probably Deal

Ray

[AJ100]

Hello Ray,

Thanks for your last post re Goddard. I have searched my parish records for Deal & Walmer and can only find 5 of the children of William & Elizabeth GODDARD, Labourer. This doesn't mean the missing ones weren't born in Deal or Walmer, just that they weren't baptised there

St Saviour's, Walmer  6/9/1871 born 26/7/1871  Ellen Maria GODDARD
St Mary's, Walmer      Aug or Sep 1874 Miam Mary GODDARD
St Mary's, Walmer     16/5/1880  Fanny Sarah GODDARD
St Andrew's, Deal      28/1/1883  George James GODDARD  At this time William was a Farm Labourer at Red House Farm.
St Andrew's, Deal       16/1/1886  Thomas John GODDARD  no job recorded and living at Gravel Walk, Deal.
Hopefully this is of some use,

Regards

AJ

[RayofGlamorgan]

Hi AJ

That is very helpful thank you.  How are you accessing these records?  Is your source original or a transcript.  I could just about see how Miam Mary could be a mistranscribed William Henry with D/O being put in as it was a female name.  What throws me is the proximity to William Henry's baptism and, presumably, that this was in a different church - hence my thought that these details just may be one person.  I have never heard of the name Miam before (though I have just looked at births on FreeBMD - 2) and wondered if 'Will' had been transcribed to 'M'.

Ray

[AJ100]

Hello Ray,

It's entirely possible that Miam was William. My records are transcripts so an error could have been made there. As you have come across the name Miam then the error, if there was one, would have been in the orginal recording. William was sometimes recorded as Wm and Henry as Hy. If the writing was suitably flowing and done with a flourish then some names are very difficut to read, even the simplest ones.
Like you, I have never come across Miam before.
It may be safe to say that Miam is William while still keeping an open mind.

Regards

AJ

[RayofGlamorgan]

I have Miam from Kent FHS CD 32 and yourself, so, as you say, assuming you yourself were not the kind volunteer who transcribed the data for the CD, if there is a problem here, then the original record would be the source.
LDS gives William, so assuming parents are correct, then this could be a different interpretation of the same handwriting.
FreeBMD, searching for Goddard b 1874, only gives William.  Their source, the index, is typed and clear.  However, the index's source could again be a different interpretation of the same handwriting.

I suppose that this may only be resolved if an eighth child is found or birth certificates are discovered for both.

As you say - need to keep an open mind.

Ray

[AJ100]

I have a burial if it's any use: William Harry GODDARD died 17/1/1875 aged 4 months in Upper Walmer.
Prior to this (post on 10/12/15) his parents were living in Walmer Road, which is Lower Walmer about a mile from the church in Upper Walmer. William sems to have been an itinerant sort of person, moving from place to place, presumably where the work was.

Regards

AJ

[RayofGlamorgan]

Hi AJ

Sounds very likely to be the same child as William Henry above.

Thanks for this.

Ray

[RayofGlamorgan]

Hi AJ

Happy Christmas

You say William Harry 'died' 17 Jan 1875 - is that buried as well or should this have read 'buried'?  I have, from Kent FHS CD 32, a William Henry, 4m, U. Walmer, buried St Mary, Walmer, 17 Jan 1875.

Ray

[AJ100]

Apoologies, Ray, I should have said buried not died. The Parish Records always put the date of burial, occasionally adding the date of death separately but not usually.

Happy New Year

AJ