1841 census Basingstoke please

[Salty]

Hi,

I am trying to find 3 x gt grandmother with her husband or family.
So far, every census has her as a widow.

Harriett WISE nee MARLOW age in 1841 will be 28yrs.

In the 1851 she is in Cliddesden Road with her father James MARLOW and brothers Joseph and David.

I cannot find a marriage for Hariett after 1837, but she has a daughter in 1849.

Any help appreciated.
Thank you
Tom

[phrishy]

I have found this entry in 1841 ........

Hackwood Lane, Basingstoke
All born in County
Thomas Marlow 55 Ag Labourer
Harriot 30
Joseph 20
Elizabeth 20
David 15
Emma 12
John 4
Sarah Wise 4
HO107/385/2 16/26

This family was transcribed as Marton and somebody has at some time submitted an error to suggest that David should be David Marlow.  It's unfortunate that the submitter either hasn't left any contact details or hasn't allowed contact, but it's a possible indication that somebody else is researching this family.

[Salty]

Hi,
Thank you for the reply.

Hackwood Lane is definitely the right area, an extension of Cliddesden Road.
Or vice versa.

The ages all vary from the 1851 but the names seem to be correct except the first one of Thomas Marlow. This is a new name and the age differs, but he has the same occupation as the James Marlow (Head) in the 1851 census age 70years.

Harriot is probably Harriett 38yrs in 1851 and 30 yrs in 1841?
Joseph age 20yrs in 1841 and 33yrs in 1851
Elizabeth  (another new name for me)
David age 15yrs in 1841 and 23yrs in 1851
Emma (another new name)
John (another new name)
Sarah Wise age 4yrs (another new name, but has the surname I am looking for with Harriett, above)

Am I right in assuming that there is no surname given for Harriett?

If you look at my post of yesterday, " 1851 census for Basingstoke" I think you will agree we are probably looking at the same family.

Questions, questions. Our ancestors didn't like to make things easy for us did they?

Thank you again.
Tom

[Necromancer]

Hi Tom, I found that 1841 family too - I'd say it was them, with the usual anomalies !

The surnames are all the same indicated by the Enumerator's 'ditto' or 'do' .... the Sarah Wise caught my eye as she want transcribed, but deffo with the family household on the original page ...

[Salty]

Thanks Newfy. Harriett was down as a Marlow. I wonder if she actually married.
I will have to start looking to see how many survived to the 1851.

Tom

[Little Nell]

Curious - I could not find a baptism for Harriet to confirm the father's name for you.  So I searched for David and found these children baptised, parents James and Hannah:

William 26 Feb 1815
Joseph  16 Nov 1817
Elizabeth 15 Dec 1820
David 11 Jan 1824
Sarah 4 Mar 1827
Emma 11 Dec 1829

There was also a George baptised in Wield but he may not be their family, although I don't know who else he might belong to. 

A Sarah Ann Wise was baptised in Basingstoke in 1837, parents Isaac & Harriet Wise.  This would appear to be their only child.

Isaac Wise married Harriet Marlow 11 May 1834 in Basingstoke.  Death of an Isaac Wise registerd in Basingstoke Mar qtr 1838 Gro Ref Vol 7 40

So Harriet must be around somewhere.  I don't seem to be able to find a marriage for James & Hannah Marlow either.  Hmm.

Nell

[Salty]

Hi Little Nell,

Thank you for your time again. As you say very curious how this is panning out.

According to the 1851 census, Harriett was born in Wield, Hants and her father James in Winslade, Hants.
Also you say that Sarah Ann Wise was the only child of Issac and Harriett, yet in the 1851 census Harriett has a 2 year old daughter Elizabeth, born some ten years after that Isaac's death.     

Were all the baptism's you found in Basingstoke?

This family really have tried to make things difficult. But not half as difficult as my fathers lot from Kent, who moved and changed the family name.

Thanks Tom

[phrishy]

So far as the aged on any 1841 census is concerned you have to remember that any age above 15 was rounded down to the nearest 5 which should account for the anomalies.

Apart from Sarah the others have dittoes, so making their surnames all Marlow.

The presence of Sarah Wise would make me concur that this was definitely the same family.

The difference in the name of the head of the family I can't explain but you could always bear in mind enumerator's error .......

[Salty]

Thanks for that. It certainly helps.

Tom