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Re: Home Children to Canada on the Sarmation
« Reply #9 on: Sunday 04 March 07 20:38 GMT (UK) »
Here is where they are interred...
Waite, Alice C.  1869-1964
Waite, David Charles 1905- 1994
Waite, John A 1864-1915
http://www.interment.net/data/canada/ontario/muskoka/macauley/fraserburg/index.htm
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Re: Home Children to Canada on the Sarmation
« Reply #10 on: Sunday 04 March 07 21:10 GMT (UK) »
Are they on the British census, as although Charlotte wasn't sent over until 1883 I can't see her there?
Wondering if this is Eliza here:
Elizabeth GYE English 13  born England living with the Corman family in Wentworth Ontario...   J.J.

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Re: Home Children to Canada on the Sarmation
« Reply #11 on: Sunday 04 March 07 21:32 GMT (UK) »
Thank you Karen and JJ for all of this.  This is the first time I have joined a Rootschat and I am finding it rather tricky to find my way around it and how it works.  I have tried to write to Grub to thank for locking me into the right cage and I hope that my message has found its way appropriately!

JJ, yes I do have the UK birth certificates for all the girls and I had seen that same census entry for a Kate Gay.  In that case the birthday given is very close but has no numerical or other comparisons that suggest it definitely is the same Kate Gay.  But it is well known that the children's birthdays were often incorrectly carried forward to Canada, so it could equally well be her.  

KATE GAY'S date of birth  is 11 September 1875
ELIZABETH GAY'S date of birth is 18 July 1873
CHARLOTTE GAY's date of birth is 21 May 1869

I had also found an entry for Charlotte on the census and the birthdate matches exactly, although at the moment we do not know how or when Charlotte was sent to Canada.

Karen, thank you for all those references, that is a lot of information we had not yet found.   I have just checked  the Commonwealth War Grave Commission records for WW1 casualties and see that there is no Wilfred recorded but two Canadians with the initial W.  I can check on that later on, when we have found some more details ; actually a surprising number of Canadians with the surname Waite are there, though.  I hope she got her son back from the war - she had lost so much in her life.  

I should say that there was also a brother called Robert Gay and I am in touch with his descendents  in the USA who are fully aware of his life story.  I am in the UK and until just  a few months ago I had no idea I needed to learn how to search around Canadian archives.  I am quite skilled at UK searching but a novice with Canada and the USA.  Until they heard from me the American family did not know that Robert's sisters had probably also become migrants, and because my grandmother and another sister did not leave England I had no idea that some others did.

Currently the family in the USA are waiting for a reply to written enquiries at the Canadian archives so we have not yet been too vigorous in our searches because the information may yet be sent to us.  I will share this information with them as well.

JJ, I see you have sent two more messages so will send this right away.  It is late evening here, so I will not be able to stay and play for too long now - will have to step back into my family cage before I get found out!!

Again, thank you all,

Connie


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Re: Home Children to Canada on the Sarmation
« Reply #12 on: Sunday 04 March 07 21:44 GMT (UK) »
Charlotte was on that list in the archives, wasn't she? I'll post it here...J.J.

http://www.collectionscanada.ca/archivianet/02011003_e.html

Here it is:
Charlotte Gay
Age: 13 
Ship: SS Parisian 
Liverpool  / departure Date: 20 Sep 1883 
Quebec  / Arrival Date: 29 Sep 1883 
Miss Rye / Destination: Not Given 
Microfilm reel: C-4533 

also : ( although I am sure this is for the same Charlotte...

Age: 14   
Ship: SS Parisian 
Arrival Date: 29 Sep 1883 
Party: Miss Rye 
Comments are that there is General Correspondence
Series RG 17, Vol 395, Docket 42680 

You can look at the actual ship's log to see if there was another Charlotte.
All that will be there is a handwritten list of names...no extra information on the person...although if that is your Charlotte there may be more information at the archives as you say...  J.J.

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Re: Home Children to Canada on the Sarmation
« Reply #13 on: Sunday 04 March 07 21:53 GMT (UK) »
Could we have the parent's names in case the marriages may be found? J.J.

Wilfred not on the virtual war memorial...so hopefully he survived...
http://www.vac-acc.gc.ca/remembers/sub.cfm?source=collections/virtualmem/Results
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Re: Home Children to Canada on the Sarmation
« Reply #14 on: Sunday 04 March 07 22:32 GMT (UK) »
Are they the family in 1881, living in Chelsea, Kensington London

Charlotte, mother, widow
Alice age 11
Elizabeth, 7
Kate, 5
Nellie, 4
Maude, 2
Robert, 12 months

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Gandley (but known as Stanley in Canada)- Ireland to Birmingham<br />Ball, Kempson & Franklin - Birmingham<br />Shorter - Surrey<br />Dyer - Devon<br />Dawkins - Co. Cork, Ireland<br />Heffernan - Ireland
Huck - Alsace, France
Reinhart - Baden, Germany
Bowman & Ellis - England
Etheridge - Gloucestershire

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Re: Home Children to Canada on the Sarmation
« Reply #15 on: Sunday 04 March 07 22:52 GMT (UK) »
Birth Registration for:

Irene Alicia Waite
Date of Birth:  October 13, 1895
Occupation of Father:  Book keeper
Father:  John A. Waite
Mother:  Charlotte A. Gay
Toronto, County of York, Ontario
Reg. NO. 012057

Karen
Gandley (but known as Stanley in Canada)- Ireland to Birmingham<br />Ball, Kempson & Franklin - Birmingham<br />Shorter - Surrey<br />Dyer - Devon<br />Dawkins - Co. Cork, Ireland<br />Heffernan - Ireland
Huck - Alsace, France
Reinhart - Baden, Germany
Bowman & Ellis - England
Etheridge - Gloucestershire

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Re: Home Children to Canada on the Sarmation
« Reply #16 on: Sunday 04 March 07 23:02 GMT (UK) »
Perhaps we could get the obituary for Charlotte Alice and maybe it might mention her sisters Kate and Elizabeth.

Karen
Gandley (but known as Stanley in Canada)- Ireland to Birmingham<br />Ball, Kempson & Franklin - Birmingham<br />Shorter - Surrey<br />Dyer - Devon<br />Dawkins - Co. Cork, Ireland<br />Heffernan - Ireland
Huck - Alsace, France
Reinhart - Baden, Germany
Bowman & Ellis - England
Etheridge - Gloucestershire

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Re: Home Children to Canada on the Sarmation
« Reply #17 on: Sunday 04 March 07 23:06 GMT (UK) »
There was an Alice and she came with Miss Rye in 1886 age 16...but the 1911 census does say 1883, hmmmm....censuses not always accurate, so that's a tough one...J.J.
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