Home Children to Canada on the Sarmation

[Con]

J.J., thank you for being my fairy god-mother!  I will start with your queries.  ROBERT GAY was definitely a BHC.  He sailed on the Caspian in 1889  with a Roman Catholic party. (There is an interesting  aspect there as the family were not RC, but that is surely a different topic).    You do have the correct info about the UK family.  Julia was their first born child and the maiden name of Charlotte senior was Thomas. I have seen the Katie Gay in 1901 but cannot figure out any way to  check on her identity. 

My reason for picking up on this trail just now is that I have received a document from Liverpool University in the UK.  It is a report from Maria Rye giving a list of Children from the Peckham home in 1881 and their placements in Canada.  It only gives initials but I feel sure it gives Elizabeth and Kate.  It says they have both been placed in Newcastle; Elizabeth to a Mr. F. N., Wharfinger, and Kate to  Mr. J.L., Farmer.  I am seeking advice now about how I might possibly be able to search out those families from just that information.  Was Newcastle densely populated at that time? 

Janice,

Thank you for those links.  I do have both the books and and I knew most of the links, but the Parry Sound ones will probably be of help as I am hazy about Canadian geography as it my relate to this reserach. 

Connie

[KarenM]

Was Newcastle densely populated at that time? 

 Connie

Hi Connie,

Newcastle was pretty small and still is pretty small (my sister in law lives there  ), it is east of Toronto.

Karen

[Con]

Thank you Karen,

so maybe I would be in with a chance to locate those two families.  I think then  I will try the local genealogy groups for help with a census or any similar records that might be available.

(Wonder if I am related to your sister-in-law!)

Connie

[Janice M]

I checked the 1881, 1901 & 1911 Census and cannot find them. "Newcastle" only has a few pages. (Durham County)

Bowmanville & Darlington History (beside Newcastle)
http://www.ontariogenealogy.com/Durham/history/bowmanville9.html

Haldimand History
http://www.ontariogenealogy.com/Northumberland/haldimandtownship.html


Janice

[Janice M]

Okay, I think I found him.

F. Nicholson

http://www.geocities.com/nvdhs/oct02.pdf


1881 Census
Newcastle,
Durham West,
Ontario

Francis NICHOLSON    
M   
Scottish   
47   
Scotland   
Wharf Master   
Church of England 

Mercy NICHOLSON   
M   
English   
40   
England     
 
Francis Holden NICHOLSON     
Scottish   
19   
Ontario
Clerk   
 
Fredrick Robert NICHOLSON     
Scottish   
18   
Ontario
Clerk 

Thomas Bethal NICHOLSON     
Scottish   
14   
Ontario

George Israel NICHOLSON     
Scottish   
8   
Ontario 

[Janice M]

Here is more on Francis Nicholson

http://www.ontariogenealogy.com/Durham/clarkehi.html

http://sher.leetooze.googlepages.com/fromtheoakplaintothelakefront

[waiteohman]

Hello Connie

My reason for picking up on this trail just now is that I have received a document from Liverpool University in the UK.  It is a report from Maria Rye giving a list of Children from the Peckham home in 1881 and their placements in Canada.  It only gives initials but I feel sure it gives Elizabeth and Kate.  It says they have both been placed in Newcastle; Elizabeth to a Mr. F. N., Wharfinger, and Kate to  Mr. J.L., Farmer.  I am seeking advice now about how I might possibly be able to search out those families from just that information.  Was Newcastle densely populated at that time? 

Have you considered these two records with given names as Elizabeth & Kate. They are both travelling together with Miss Rye's party; however, destination is Niagara-on-the-Lake. Ages would be about right.

Name: Kate Gay Age: 7
Name: Elizabeth Gay age 8
Ship: Sarmatian Year of Arrival: 1881 Departure Port: Liverpool Departure Date: 30 June 1881 Arrival Port: Quebec Arrival Date: 10 July 1881 Party: Miss Rye's Destination: Niagara-on-the-Lake, Ontario Comments: 65 children, mostly girls Source: Library and Archives Canada Reference: RG76 C 1 a Microfilm: C-4531

Linda

[waiteohman]

Connie

I wonder if those records from the Liverpool University may be incorrect. On  the 1881 census, Newcastle is in the District of Durham West and searching specifically in Newcastle and in the District as a whole on www.familysearch.org , no Farmer names found. There is a John Farmer found in Grimsby in District of Lincoln which is a distance of 47.5km from Niagara-on-the-Lake. In the 1901 Canada census Lincoln and Niagara are combined to form one district -> District of Lincoln & Niagara.

Linda

[J.J.]

Not getting notification for this thread for some reason!
      

Going back over the thread, I wonder about these two surnames...sounding more like occupations than surnames (  Yes,  I do know that most surnames were derived from occupations ) But I've looked high and low for the surname Wharfinger / Warfinger and it only exists in extremely small amounts....
Could it be that this is a red herring, and those ARE occupations...and only the first and last initials were given to protect the adopting families
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Oh, Janice, scrolling down to see the initials and commas in the posting...
I see by your Francis Nicholson, you already knew that!!!! Smart girl!
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Also, Con, I see now that you state only initials were given...I need to get glasses...and perhaps find the other half of my brain